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Honda civic 2011/8th gen - Honda 1.8 Lost motion spring fail destroyed engin - Burnyourmoney

While driving slowly on a bumpy country road my civic suddenly stopped, without warning. It has near full dealer service history 62k, was running well and recent MOT had barely detectable emissions.

The garage have stripped the head off and one of the Lost motion assembly springs has snapped and a chunk has become jammed underneath a cam lobe, locking the cam. The force tore the key off the end of the cam, allowing the chain and cam pulley to keep spinning, but destroying the valves. Cylinders 2,3,and 4 had no compression.

There is evidence that this bit of spring has been bouncing around for a while as all four cam lobes have marks suggesting contact. The final jammed point has taken a chunk out the head, which is now junk.

The garage is concerned about why the spring failed, and given visible damage to other cam lobes is advising a new engine in case of low oil pressure. Although no oil lights ever came on and level was just below half way at the time of engine failure. Oil was changed 2 months ago with Honda filter and Shell Helix 0W-30.

Has anyone seen this failure before? Can the springs just fail for no reason or is low oil pressure likely? Looking online it seems there was a recall in USA for honda fit/jazz for LMA spring failure, are they the same springs across engines? static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2011/RCDNN-11V101-2672.pdf

The garage want £2000 inc VAT to fit a secondhand engine (550+VAT from their trusted breaker), and they are prepared to warranty the work. He would normally advise refurbishing the engine but his usual machine shop doesn't do Honda engines. Can anyone recommend a reliable machine shop South Birmingham area if a refurb seems sensible.

Any other advice on what to do?

Honda civic 2011/8th gen - Honda 1.8 Lost motion spring fail destroyed engin - John F

Any other advice on what to do?

Interesting. I would check your VIN number and see if it has been the subject of a recall. I think you can also do this on the gov MoT history check site. Clearly there has been an international problem with this spring design. Just bad luck, I suppose.

Honda civic 2011/8th gen - Honda 1.8 Lost motion spring fail destroyed engin - Galaxy

Can't the garage just fit a second-hand head rather than a complete engine?

Honda civic 2011/8th gen - Honda 1.8 Lost motion spring fail destroyed engin - Burnyourmoney

The garage could, and acknowledge that there's a chance that'd work out fine. Their concern is that low oil pressure has contributed to the spring failure, which is difficult to prove now without tearing the bottom end apart as well. Although they admit that while the cam lobes have damage from the spring, the cam journals aren't worn.

They felt that it would be a gamble buying a second hand head, timing kit, gaskets etc and finding oil pressure is low. Finding a working complete engine and fitting that is marginally more expensive, but if the engine they source is a dud they'll take the labour on the chin to refit another from the breakers. They are not happy guaranteeing the current block will be fine. I see where they're coming from.

Honda civic 2011/8th gen - Honda 1.8 Lost motion spring fail destroyed engin - Burnyourmoney
Thanks. After finding the USA recall I checked this on Honda uk website but there are no recalls listed.
Honda civic 2011/8th gen - Honda 1.8 Lost motion spring fail destroyed engin - SLO76
A failure like this on a Honda petrol engine is incredibly rare, in fact in twenty odd years of selling them I’ve never encountered a single engine issue on one.

I’d suspect oil starvation and with a recent oil change I’d be suspicious that either the wrong oil has been used (it should be 5w 30 from what I’ve read) or they’ve made some mistake in carrying oil the change.

I had a BMW engine bay covered in oil when the trainee at a local (so called) BMW specialist failed to fit a new filter correctly and later the timing chain developed a terminal rattle which was caused by the use of the wrong grade of oil.

Honda petrol engines really don’t fail like this at this mileage without some mistake having been made in maintenance. A manufacturing fault would’ve shown up much earlier.

I’ve every confidence a good replacement used engine will be reliable but that industry is rife with con artists and cheats so your nice low mileage replacement motor may in fact turn out to be a mega-miler.

Edited by SLO76 on 25/06/2019 at 18:27

Honda civic 2011/8th gen - Honda 1.8 Lost motion spring fail destroyed engin - Burnyourmoney
A failure like this on a Honda petrol engine is incredibly rare, in fact in twenty odd years of selling them I’ve never encountered a single engine issue on one.


This is exactly the reason I bought it! This was the reliable family car.

I believe oil spec is either 0w-30 or 5w-30, they were filled with 0w30 at factory unless I’m mistaken.

I did the oil change myself so wondered if this was the issue. Before this raises too many eyebrows I have qualifications in motor vehicle repair from College, where I met lots of young lads (like your example) who work in garages, hence preferring to service it myself. Although I don’t work as a mechanic I’ve ten years of servicing, cambelts, clutch, suspension, brakes, gearbox swaps under my belt without any failures. But no one is above mistakes and kids and busy job mean I do less these days. The oil filter I took off (fitted by dealer) was on so tight it deformed the metal around the central hex nut on the filter removal tool. Torque spec should have been 11nm. Sump plug was also Flipping tight. However, despite the talk of oil concerns the cam journals themselves don’t show anything abnormal. Surely any oil starvation would be evident on a high friction bearing/journal surface if it was becoming an issue for an LMA spring under far less stress?

The USA Jazz Recall suggested it was not driving the engine hard that limited the LMA spring lubrication, but I’m not sure if this is comparable jazz/civic as the r18a2 isn’t in the jazz. Mine was single owner, fairly low miles dealer history. Maybe it’s been pootled around and never revved? But this is speculation, there’s enough doubt as to why it failed, hence the plan for a second hand engine.

I fully take your point about breakers. I’ll get the garage to compression test and MOT emissions test it before collecting for some peace of mind. The garage have directly said that they won’t let it leave with a duff engine and Labour will be on them if their trusted breaker provides one. They’d regard it as part of their costs of doing business. It seems pretty fair to me.
Honda civic 2011/8th gen - Honda 1.8 Lost motion spring fail destroyed engin - John F

You are clearly a knowledgeable competent mechanic and I cannot imagine how your oil change contributed to this disaster. There's a lot on Honda sites about this spring problem causing just what you have experienced. If the pistons have been slamming into the valves, albeit briefly, I would try and source a replacement engine from a write-off rather than rebuilding it, and make sure it gets an Italian tune-up occasionally!

Honda civic 2011/8th gen - Honda 1.8 Lost motion spring fail destroyed engin - Bolt

I believe oil spec is either 0w-30 or 5w-30, they were filled with 0w30 at factory unless I’m mistaken.

Last 1.8 I had, Honda told me and I`ve heard it from a mate that works for Honda, they had some cars that burnt a small amount of oil, so 5w 30 was put in instead of the 0w 30 which cured it

but they are designed for high revs which some people will not do, they are designed to take to red line/limiter without any problems, and if you check on the net some are turbo`d and rechipped without any more mods done and no one has any problems with them, except those that do not check the oil, though they have a warning system which appears to work well

I did read on Civinfo that a few did have spring problems but was mainly in US this is certainly the first I`ve heard of it here.

Honda civic 2011/8th gen - Honda 1.8 Lost motion spring fail destroyed engin - paul robert watson

In America they get things sorted out,Hence there are 300,000 VW standing in the desert,

There owners having recieved a new VW,in England they got there dirty VW engine retuned,

I think this say's it all.If you had crushed the oil filter when fitting to a car,you would have

got another one.I think your garage is responsable,ask Honda what they think.

Honda civic 2011/8th gen - Honda 1.8 Lost motion spring fail destroyed engin - Lrac

Please excuse my ignorance, what is a lost motion assembly spring?

Honda civic 2011/8th gen - Honda 1.8 Lost motion spring fail destroyed engin - skidpan

I think your garage is responsable,ask Honda what they think.

The car is 8 years old, Honda will have no interest even if a Honda dealer has done all the maintenance since new. Even Kia's 7 year warranty will be dead at that age.

If it had been faulty from new I would have expected it to fail well before 8 years.

Put it down to experience and move on.

Honda civic 2011/8th gen - Honda 1.8 Lost motion spring fail destroyed engin - Bolt

Please excuse my ignorance, what is a lost motion assembly spring?

A spring that sits ofset between valve springs to prevent VTEC lobes from rattling when locked, I gather there were faulty springs years ago, some said it was lack of correct oil used on service that caused it? but unsure of real cause, I suspect someone will correct me if wrong!