Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - Ethan Edwards

Followed a skip lorry this morning. Was surprised to see him whilst carrying a fully loaded skip. Drive over a bridge clearly marked "Weak Bridge 7.5t limit". Trouble is not being HGV savvy I don't know how heavy they are. But it looked to me to be pushing the limit. Big lorry six wheels, two at the front, four at the back. Far larger than a transit size we are talking a proper lorry. If he was ignoring that restriction who would you call?

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - Manatee

A local operator has a 7.5 tonne skip lorry that uses 'mini' skips. All his other, full size ones, look the same but just bigger, I think they are 16-18 tonnes gross. They only have two axles.

We have an occasional problem here with this operator, whose drivers relapse from time to time and use two local routes with 7.5 tonne limits; one is a limit on a weak bridge, the other is weight limited except for access, as it isn't a suitable route for large vehicles. The terms of their operator's licence also prohibit them using other parts of the routes. I believe the parish council in this case makes representations to the traffic commissioners, which is part of DVSA. Somebody must have a word because they then stop doing it for a while.

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - badbusdriver

Can't say for sure about the weight of the truck you saw other than it was definitely more than 7.5t. My Dad used to drive tipper trucks, and for reference, the 3 axle version (1 at the front, 2 at the back) had a gvw of 28t, whereas the 4 axle (2 at the front, 2 at the back) that my Dad drove had a gvw of 32t. This was back in the 80's, but I doubt the capacities would have dropped since then, if anything they'd be higher.

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - gordonbennet

There are some skip lorries that operate under 7.5t, and what may appear to be fully loaded might actually be light general refuse.

I'm not big into shopping people for minor infractions when our leaders and betters get away with lying misleading and betraying our country, when thousands of little girls have been raped on an industrial scale whilst the police looked the other way, and whilst savages are running round stabbing and killing others.

When you consider what's going on out there even if the lorry was over 7.5t, is it really something to get worked up about, if it annoys you maybe phone the skip operator and complain to them, they may tell you to go forth or they might be unaware their driver is nipping through weight limits when he shouldn't.

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - Ethan Edwards

Well if he damaged that particular bridge it would mean taking another route to work. One that's usually nose to tail. So for me some inconvenience, but for the Southend to London Rail line it would close it. Inconvencing thousands.

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - Andrew-T

When you consider what's going on out there even if the lorry was over 7.5t, is it really something to get worked up about,

Well no, as long as nothing happens. But it could cause a lot of aggro to quite a few people if the bridge was out for weeks or months. On the other hand, the driver may have known he was within the weight restrictions.

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - badbusdriver

There are some skip lorries that operate under 7.5t, and what may appear to be fully loaded might actually be light general refuse.

I'm not big into shopping people for minor infractions when our leaders and betters get away with lying misleading and betraying our country, when thousands of little girls have been raped on an industrial scale whilst the police looked the other way, and whilst savages are running round stabbing and killing others.

When you consider what's going on out there even if the lorry was over 7.5t, is it really something to get worked up about, if it annoys you maybe phone the skip operator and complain to them, they may tell you to go forth or they might be unaware their driver is nipping through weight limits when he shouldn't.

The OP's description of the truck being a 3 axle, with "big truck wheels" (i.e, not the smaller ones you get on lower weight trucks) suggest to me at least double the weight limit of the bridge. As to whether or not it is worth doing something about it, that depends on the particular situation. But consider if the bridge deteriorating to the point it had to be closed for repairs, meant that local residents had to make a lengthy diversion to go about their daily routine. Wouldn't be very fair on them, and for that reason, assuming the truck was as heavy as I suspect (way over the limit), I would definitely get in touch with the council or VOSA (or whatever they are called these days).

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - gordonbennet

The OP described it (to me at least) as having 4 wheels across the back, i assume he means 4 wheels on one axle as against a twin axle, so could still be a 7.5 tonner.

edit, however i'd still be more inclined to ring the company if this mattered so much to me, why make big waves for a company if its just their driver being cheeky, when a simple phone call might well put this to bed.

Edited by gordonbennet on 27/11/2018 at 09:49

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - RickyBoy

We had this occur locally in September:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-454...9

Still hasn't been repaired/replaced!

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - gordonbennet

^^^ two short planks applies there.

A good few years ago whilst making my way back, empty but car transporter so tare weight 22 tons, across south/mid wales i somehow missed a turn in a village where the main A road turned off to the left and i sailed on by unaware i was now on a B road, which didn't change in any way till i'd covered about 5 miles when i happened upon a rather unusual bridge.

Bridge made entirely out of wood, with planks (appropriate) comprising the roadway across and clearly marked at 7.5 tons max weight.

Only a complete lunatic would have attempted that, cue a reverse of a couple of miles till i found a suitable farm entrance to reverse into.

I've tried to find this bridge on a map since, no joy.

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - Falkirk Bairn

Bridge over mainline to Aberdeen closed to traffic in summer.

To be demolished Xmas & Boxing day @ cost of £1m.

Will be rebuilt but cost is as yet unknown - but eye watering no doubt!

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - Miniman777

While not castigating skip lory drivers, earlier this year the Middlesbrough-Whitby rail line was closed after a skip lorry hit a bridge and distorted the track, which could have led to a derailment or worse - www.whitbygazette.co.uk/news/whitby-to-middlesbrou...8

Around the country rail bridges are hit on a daily basis by HGVs, leading to delays and disruption yet police rarely prosecute. The most expensive compensation bill presented to a haulier by Network Rail is around £700k who hit a bridge in the Rugeley/Armitage area.

This accident(see link) could have cause deaths too after a cement mixer driver hit a wall on a rail over bridge and landed on a passing train, luckily no fatalities. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327209/Injured-t...l. And before anyone asks, it's not Daily Mail sensationalism - I work in rail and it was very serious.

Commercial drivers have a duty of care and a weak bridge being hammered by overweight trucks may eventually give way with disastrous results.

Personally, I think there is an obligation to report them to police or VOSA (for whatever they are this week) as we all expected driving to be to a competent standard.

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - Brit_in_Germany

Every German road bridge has a military load classification for single and two-way traffic, wheeled and tracked. I guess if a bridge is restricted to 7.5 tonnes it is capable of carrying that with traffic in both directions so maybe if there is no HGV coming in the opposite direction, the bridge might not have been overloaded. Or is that too simplistic?

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - Bromptonaut

Every German road bridge has a military load classification for single and two-way traffic, wheeled and tracked. I guess if a bridge is restricted to 7.5 tonnes it is capable of carrying that with traffic in both directions so maybe if there is no HGV coming in the opposite direction, the bridge might not have been overloaded. Or is that too simplistic?

Lots of weight limited bridges round here are over the Grand Union Canal or the Euston railway line. Date from horse/cart era. Two cars struggle to pass never mind 2 LGVs.

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - Bromptonaut

This accident(see link) could have cause deaths too after a cement mixer driver hit a wall on a rail over bridge and landed on a passing train, luckily no fatalities. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327209/Injured-t...l.

Tribute to construction of the BR class 455, based on same structure as IC125 etc. RAIB report is here:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/547c8fe840f...f

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - Andrew-T

I'm not clear how the stated weight limit applies vis-a-vis number of axles. When heavy loads go by road the answer is always to use a multi-axle transporter, but if this bridge is an elderly one, maybe the advertised limit is a guesstimate anyway?

Skip Lorry - fully loaded and a weak bridge 7.5t l - Bromptonaut

I'm not clear how the stated weight limit applies vis-a-vis number of axles. When heavy loads go by road the answer is always to use a multi-axle transporter, but if this bridge is an elderly one, maybe the advertised limit is a guesstimate anyway?

Limit on canal etc bridges round here is gross vehicle weight. Even for a a big artic there's a period where all or bulk of weight is on the bridge. If the issue is axle weight the sign would say axle weight.

The advertised limit will be an estimate but an informed one with a significant margin for error

If there's need to get something outsize like a transformer over and weak bridge is only way then there will be surveys and special arrangements, probably including multi axle vehicles.