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Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - jgrahampo

just read te following question in the ask section:

Dealer has over pressured my tyres

I bought a brand new S3 in December last year. I've now done 4200 miles. I have a long drive tomorrow so decided to check the tyre pressures for the first time. They should be 38psi front & 35psi rear at normal load & 42psi all round with full load but all were 50psi. I can only assume they must've been higher than this when I collected the car. Why? Will this have caused damage to the tyres &/or suspension? Many thanks, Andrew

and the answer:

No, won't have caused damage. But this is the second time I have heard of an Audi dealer putting a car out on storage tyre pressures. This is actually very common but proves that the pre-delivery inspection was not carried out correctly so you should seek some acknowledgement of that from the Audi dealer. In the other case, the Audi owner received a replacement set of tyres FoC. Anyone buying a new car should check the tyre pressures. I have had to reduce them substantially on my last two long term test cars. Remember, pressures rise as heat gets into the tyres so that 38/35 is the hot pressure, not the cold pressure. Inflate to 38/35 cold and you will get 42/39 after a motorway run.

poor answer from HJ. No mention of the car owner taking resposibility and carying out normal, BASIC, reccommended checks that should be carried out by all drivers. this is a performance car FFS. Tyre pressures are one of the most basic things to do. No check for 5 to 6 months. deary me!

HJ your credibility caneasily be damaged by such responses.

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - oldroverboy.

just read te following question in the ask section:

Dealer has over pressured my tyres

I bought a brand new S3 in December last year. I've now done 4200 miles. I have a long drive tomorrow so decided to check the tyre pressures for the first time. They should be 38psi front & 35psi rear at normal load & 42psi all round with full load but all were 50psi. I can only assume they must've been higher than this when I collected the car. Why? Will this have caused damage to the tyres &/or suspension? Many thanks, Andrew

and the answer:

No, won't have caused damage. But this is the second time I have heard of an Audi dealer putting a car out on storage tyre pressures. This is actually very common but proves that the pre-delivery inspection was not carried out correctly so you should seek some acknowledgement of that from the Audi dealer. In the other case, the Audi owner received a replacement set of tyres FoC. Anyone buying a new car should check the tyre pressures. I have had to reduce them substantially on my last two long term test cars. Remember, pressures rise as heat gets into the tyres so that 38/35 is the hot pressure, not the cold pressure. Inflate to 38/35 cold and you will get 42/39 after a motorway run.

poor answer from HJ. No mention of the car owner taking resposibility and carying out normal, BASIC, reccommended checks that should be carried out by all drivers. this is a performance car FFS. Tyre pressures are one of the most basic things to do. No check for 5 to 6 months. deary me!

HJ your credibility caneasily be damaged by such responses.

???

HJ does say to check pressures

Anyone buying a new car should check the tyre pressures.

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - alan1302
Will this have caused damage to the tyres &/or suspension?

That was the question - HJ has answered that. He doesn't need to say any more than that.

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - nortones2

He went on to advocate setting tyre pressure values when hot. Michelin: Make sure you have the correct tyre pressure and remember to check the pressure on cold tyres to get the most accurate reading. Others mentioned this apparent error but have the comments disappeared?

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - Avant

"Anyone buying a new car should check the tyre pressures. I have had to reduce them substantially on my last two long term test cars. Remember, pressures rise as heat gets into the tyres so that 38/35 is the hot pressure, not the cold pressure. Inflate to 38/35 cold and you will get 42/39 after a motorway run."

"poor answer from HJ. No mention of the car owner taking resposibility and carying out normal, BASIC, reccommended checks that should be carried out by all drivers."

What part of HJ's first sentence didn't you understand, Jgrahampo? Seriously, we'd be interested to know why you think this is a poor response.


Edited by Avant on 25/05/2016 at 13:49

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - jgrahampo

a poor response due to the failure to educate the question raiser on the importance of checking tyre pressures and going on to encourage him to seek redress from the supplying dealer.

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - oldroverboy.

a poor response due to the failure to educate the question raiser on the importance of checking tyre pressures and going on to encourage him to seek redress from the supplying dealer.

Seek an explanation and let the dealer know the pdi was not done properly, And even though i worked in the trade i never accepted the pdi without checking myself, and caught plenty out too!

HJ informs, correctly says check when you get it, and anyone with more than 3 working brain cells can read his reply correctly.

I don't always agree with HJ's replies, but I have been in the "trade" only a bit less than he has , but he does inform and educate, and just like me does not always tolerate idiotic or spoof questions.

When someone buys a car, there is this document called a handbook. If more people read the things then we would have a lot less daft questions and comments around.

A little more checking would make the motor trade a lot poorer,

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - Brit_in_Germany

I found it rather strange that HJ was implying the tyre pressures are given for tyres at working temperature. Every car I have had indicates the pressure for cold tyres.

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - RichT54

Just checked my A3/S3 Owner's Manual. On page 224 it says:

"The tyre pressures should only be checked when the tyres are cold. The slightly raised pressures of warm tyres must not be reduced."

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - oldroverboy.

VERY lighrheartedly,

Had you checked it before?

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - RichT54

VERY lighrheartedly,

Had you checked it before?

I know it's not very common, but I do always read the whole manual when I get a new car. However, my memory is not so good, so 2 years later I thought I better check if the manual actually said anything about hot/cold tyre temperatures, as HJ's comments on the subject didn't seem right to me.

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - RobJP

I've not checked my handbook for the 325d, but I was also always told that pressures should be checked and adjusted at cold, rather than hot.

A surprising error from HJ.

Oh, and I only went through the 'quick start' guide when I bought the car. But the whole manual is heading on for 'War and Peace' !

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - alan1302

Does the advice for checking when hot not come from the fact a lot of people now will not do the checks at home but when out at the petrol station and the tyres being warm rather than cold?

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - RT

Does the advice for checking when hot not come from the fact a lot of people now will not do the checks at home but when out at the petrol station and the tyres being warm rather than cold?

Tyre pressures can vary considerably during a journey - and then even more if ambient temperature fluctuates.

As a self-confess anorak, I sometimes leave my TPMS display as the dashboard display - they register the "cold" pressures within about 1/2 mile and will go up 0.1 bar (1.5 psi) just pootling around town - long motorway runs will put it up another 0.1 bar but fast runs on dual carriageway with lots of roundabouts will see it go up yet more due to braking/cornering from high speed - not talking illegal speeds here either.

Cold pressure setting is the only consistent way to do it.

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - Avant

I checked in Ask HJ: the OP above did quote the answer in full. HJ didn't actually say that you should check tyre pressures when hot, merely that they rise when the tyres are hot.

You may need to check with the manufacturer or a dealer whether the pressures quoted for individual cars are cold or hot. Logically it ought to be when cold.

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - RobJP

I think the issue that some of us have is that HJ appears to be saying that the quoted 'normal' pressures should be when warm.

From the question : They should be 38psi front/35psi rear at normal loads

From HJ's answer : Remember, pressures rise as heat gets into the tyres so that 38/35 is the hot pressure

Whereas 38/35 should be the cold pressure - or at least that's what (it seems) we all learnt back when Noah was a lad !

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - Brit_in_Germany

Sorry Avant but you are misreading HJ's reply, correctly quoted by the OP. HJ wrote that 38/35, i.e. the pressures given by Audi, are the hot pressures, not the cold pressures. It follows, according to his logic, that the pressures have to be checked when the tyres are hot. Potentially dangerous advice since this could result in a serious under- inflation of the tyres if followed.

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - FoxyJukebox

Tyre pressures?--ok hands up all those who

1) Check all their tyre pressures once a month( including spare-if they have one)

2) Never check their tyres

3) Only use a tyre pressure pump when they suddenly discover they have a flat.

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - Wolfan

Tyre pressures?--ok hands up all those who

1) Check all their tyre pressures once a month( including spare-if they have one)

2) Never check their tyres

3) Only use a tyre pressure pump when they suddenly discover they have a flat.

I check my cars' tyres first thing in the morning, if possible I prefer to do it on a dull day but if that's not possible I take into account that the two which are parked outside with their sides exposed the early morning sun will differ by 1-3lbs and adjust them accordingly.

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - RobJP

I check the tyre pressures on all 3 of our cars on the first weekend of every month. Along with oil, coolant, brake fluid, PAS fluid (though that's only on the Shogun, both BMWs have EPAS). At the same time, I have a feel on the tread for depth, and a reasonable inspection for cuts, nicks, bulges, etc.

Audi S3 - Quality of HJ Q&A - RT

I check the tyre pressures on all 3 of our cars on the first weekend of every month. Along with oil, coolant, brake fluid, PAS fluid (though that's only on the Shogun, both BMWs have EPAS). At the same time, I have a feel on the tread for depth, and a reasonable inspection for cuts, nicks, bulges, etc.

I do the same with cold tyre pressures, coolant, PAS fluid and washer fluid (double strength in winter) - not the oil as it's all electronic and no dipstick and no brake fluid as it's buried under half the engine so is a dealer specialist job every 2 years/20,000 miles (yes, seriously!) - tyres are measured at 6 places across each tyre 3 times/year and logged (changed at 4mm for the winters and 3mm for the summers).

I recall that my last three new cars have had tyres set to high load pressures at delivery.

Edited by RT on 27/05/2016 at 08:02