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MB C220 CDI - momentum warranties - the wear and tear scam - eileandonan21

So wife calls me and says her car is making a screeching noise and blowing black smoke. I tell her not to drive it one inch further and have it recovered - which she does. The garage it was recovered to immediately diagnoses turbo failure.

Wife thinks, I have an extended warranty, it covers turbo failure so all looks good. Garage removes turbo for inspection and reconditioning and files a claim with Momentum.

Momentum send an independent engineer to inspect the turbo. While he was on the garage premises talking to the mechanic there, the engineer says bearing failure.

About 2 weeks pass with garage owner ringing every day for authorisation and getting the runaround for no good reason. Eventally lost patience and send recorded delivery letter asking for final position. Received a letter back which you can now view at:

http://www.oldcoach.plus.com/

Our landline records incoming numbers as does wifes mobile. Once call was received by a 01738 number, no other attempts to call were made.

I have contacted the FSA to try to understand how an FSA-regulated company can sell and administer policies which lie outside of their FSA authorisation. Their letter says "Authorised and Regulated by the FSA" at the bottom - and its all over their website. It seems highly peculiar if not actual misrepresentation to then be selling warranty policies which lie outside that regulation.

Now onto the engineers report. The failure mode is correct, but of course it was a sudden failure. My own engineer's report says:

Rotating mechanical components will always be subject to wear. Under normal circumstances, this leads to a gradual reduction in performance. However in this case the turbocharger central bearing - which is not a serviceable component - failed resulting in blade damage. This failure lies outside the normal expectation of progressive wear.

So there you have it - it was driving fine one minute, but undriveable the next, yet Momentum say it was not a sudden failure. Their engineer says service wear, but another says component failure. Fortunately statistics are on our side - if turbos failed like that through service wear they would be popping all over the place and changed as regularly as brake discs - clearly they're not. Turbo reconditioners are not as common as brake and clutch centres.

Wife has another car to drive. Fortunately, as Momentum have dragged this out for a month now.

There are some more interesting details concerning the independent engineers report - but I need further legal advice before puttign in the public domain just yet.

MB C220 CDI - momentum warranties - the wear and tear scam - unthrottled

All extended warranties have more holes than colanders. Otherwise everyone would buy an ancient luxo barge and drive like a hooligan knowing that someone else would pick up the bill.

As Warren buffet says: " I don't invest in things I don't understand." The oracle of Omaha didn't understand facebook. I don't understand extended warranties.

MB C220 CDI - momentum warranties - the wear and tear scam - Wicker

Linked letter does not render correctly in Firefox or Chrome. OK in Internet Explorer.

Not much to say but thanks for the information on Momentum; duly noted.

Me and you might see all the FSA this and that as leading to obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception, or fraud, but I will bet they are cleverer than that.

Hope you get it sorted out.

MB C220 CDI - momentum warranties - the wear and tear scam - Galaxy

Most so-called extended warranties aren't worth the paper they are printed on! I've said this many times on this forum over the years and it's true.

They're great provided you never attempt to claim on them!

As I say, not worth the paper they're printed on.

This is certainly nothing new.

Edited by Galaxy on 24/09/2012 at 09:55

MB C220 CDI - momentum warranties - the wear and tear scam - eileandonan21

Thanks for your comments.

I will fix the rendering problem later, and also do some search engine optimisation on the letter and link the search optimisation back to this post too.

As mentioned, I have further revealing information on how the independent engineer's inspection had to be undertaken, but awaiting legal advice before posting it.

I have a call booked with an FSA executive to help me understand how you can sell unregulated policies within a regulated regime. To me, that's the same as a car parts dealer that ISO9000 certified etc selling non CE marked parts out of a door round the back!

Edited by eileandonan21 on 24/09/2012 at 10:23

MB C220 CDI - momentum warranties - the wear and tear scam - FP

"Linked letter does not render correctly in Firefox or Chrome."

Nor Opera.

MB C220 CDI - momentum warranties - the wear and tear scam - Hamsafar

Nor Mac Safari, MIME type incorrect? Seems encoded.

MB C220 CDI - momentum warranties - the wear and tear scam - bonzo dog

Hi eileandonan21, please don't think me unsympathetic to your problems but as you have asked a number of questions I'll try to answer them even though you may not be happy with these.

You ask

how an FSA-regulated company can sell and administer policies which lie outside of their FSA authorisation.

They can't sell insurance policies which are outside of FSA. However they can sell other products which are outside of FSA. For example & not being facitious, a gas fitter needs to be CORGI registered but he can still fit a tap washer which falls outside of CORGI regulations.

It is likely you were sold / given a dealer guarantee which is administered by Momentum. That you think it is an insurance policy is understandable but whether you were mis-sold this by the dealer is dependent on whether he told you it was underwriten or whether you simply presumed it was.

As regards the failure, you are saying "sudden failure" they are saying "caused by a worn central bearing". Who is right? - you both are. The question is not who is right but what does the warranty wording say; which I don't know. If the warranty excludes failure caused by wear & tear then you have no case; if it simply excludes wear & tear then you do.

Assuming I am correct in the warranty being a dealer guarantee AND failure caused by wear & tear is not excluded then you need to speak to the dealer who sold you the warranty (because it's his guarantee) & ask him to pay for the repairs.

Good luck

MB C220 CDI - momentum warranties - the wear and tear scam - eileandonan21

BD thanks for your message - most helpful - I will investigate what was sold

there is a lively debate going on about this over on money saving exert, same posting. Much nonsense being talked though

I will start the search engine optimisation tonight and fix the rendering issue.

MB C220 CDI - momentum warranties - the wear and tear scam - barney100
Don't hang around, sue in the small claims court and contact trading standards. I did this re a certain shops reluctance to exchange a faulty £400 item and it is very effective. You have an engineers report, show it to the judge.
MB C220 CDI - momentum warranties - the wear and tear scam - eileandonan21

By the way, despite my initial posting, Momentum DID ring the landline number - so my mistake on that one.

Still not wrong on turbo falilure mode though. Have instigated SCC process.