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40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - WayneG Hants

With the price of fuel the way it current is, isn't it time to revfiew the silly 40p/mile claim when using my own car for the odd business errand?

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - unthrottled

Those of us on PAYE don't get any tax relief on our travel costs...

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - Collos25

You do if any of it is business miles

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - Man without a plan

Errmmmmm..... isn't it now 45p per mile.....

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/travel.htm

I know my wife's employer has upped it to 45p, a lot of public sector pay the same or more...

My posterior hole employees have just sent out a consultation document about changing the travel policy and shockingly are trying to keep it at 40p per mile.

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - Chips with everything

sorry - duplicate post

Edited by Chips with everything on 29/03/2012 at 15:48

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - RT

A 16mpg petrol @ £1.40/litre cost 39.8p per mile in fuel.

If anyone is running a 16mpg car on business they have only themselves to blame.

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - unthrottled

Well, I think the mileage allowance is supposed to include wear and tear, not just fuel!

But 40p is pretty generous. After all, you'd have a car for private use anyway, wouldn't you?

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - daveyjp

If you look at the AA running cost info 45p a mile is about enough to run a car costing less than £12,000 for 10,000 miles a year.

You may have a car anyway, but it wouldn't be doing business mileage, so with fewer miles per year it wouldn't need changing as often and reliability is key when you need a car for your job.

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - jamie745

I was under the impression the 45p a mile was to essentially cover the cost of running that vehicle for the business mileage, not just fuel. For instance a typical company car like a Mondeo TDCi doing 48mpg is 14p a mile in diesel.

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - RT

This rate isn't designed to contribute to purchase costs, depreciation or fixed running costs like insurance, VED etc. With many cars on a 1 year or 20,000 mile service interval there's no increase in servicing cost for most users either.

I really wish someone would pay me 45p, or even 40p, as a marginal cost of running a car - that's still a big contribution to fixed costs which aren't supposed to be covered.

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - jamie745

My place has pool cars for business use (as in going from the place of work to elsewhere) so they dont pay me a mileage allowance if I choose to use my own car instead.

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - unthrottled

And employees don't need a car for their job?! I can understand the rationale nehind business mileage allowances, but it seems very unfair to let sole traders declare their home as their place of work and claim tax relief on every trip. If they applied a minimum threshold that equated to a reasonable commuting distance, then it would be fair!

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - Bobbin Threadbare

40p/mile!!

When I was a nuke consultant I got 37p/mile up to a certain mileage, after which it dropped to about 15p/mile.

In my current teacher trainee guise, I get 20p/mile, but can only claim once I hit the £500 quid mark.

So 40-odd p/mile isn't bad I suppose.

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - Smileyman

The 45p per mile payment is meant to cover the cost of fuel, as well as wear & tear in the vehicle, tyres, maintenance, depreciation, business use insurance etc. It is paid free of tax irrespective of the employees marginal tax rate. If the employer pays less than this sum the employee may claim tax relief on the shortfall.

After 10,000 miles the tax free limit drops to 25p per mile ... and this is the figure that needs to be uplifted first.

Any payment above these limits will be subject to tax.

I understand some employees (perhaps with the approval of their employers) massage their mileage records to show longer journey lengths, so to maximise their exposure in the 45p band ... not a good idea as HMRC agents do check distances as part of their inspection processes .... fraud is illegal.

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - RT

Is there really a problem with 25p/mile? That's equivalent to 27.3mpg at £1.50/litre for fuel.

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - memyself-aye

45p per mile is still less than the ownership costs of most cars and it this this that it covers - not just fuel.

It works to your advantage if you own an older, smaller, reliable (so fewer unclaimable repair bills) car, but the actual ownership costs are nearer 55p/mile these days. If your employer choses not to pay you HMRC's rates for driving your own car on their business- and they don't have to, you claim the difference from HMRC but you'll only get tax relief (at 20% or 40%) NOT the actual difference.

Alternatively refuse to use your own car for your employers business.

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - RT

45p per mile is still less than the ownership costs of most cars and it this this that it covers - not just fuel.

45p/mile is the middle ground for cars bought new and sold at 3 years/36,000 miles - but many cars are cheaper to run than that by a) not buying new, b) keeping the car longer or c) restricting choice to more economical car.

The HMRC rate isn't designed to pay for indulgencies - particularly bearing in mind that many "essential" users get company cars which come under a different taxation scheme.

45p/mile gives a 12,000 mile/year driver an amount of £5,400 per year including their own contribution - it's not difficult to get under that.

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - unthrottled

45p per mile is still less than the ownership costs of most cars and it this this that it covers - not just fuel.

False. You're forgetting that you get the use of the car for private use as well as buisiness. Why should HMRC cover the cost of your private motoring?! Yes, the additional business mileage will increase the rate of depreciation and general wear and tear. But you can't attribute all of the wear and tear to business use and non of it to private use.

If you choose to drive a luxo barge, that's your call. The aim of tax relief is to cover reasonable travel expenses incurred by the employee, not provide a loophole to driving a luxury car for free.

Even if you were to park up the car and not drive it for a year, it would still suffer depreciation and wear and tear. The tax relief doesn't cover fixed costs.

Edit: Most of the people I knew who were able to claim significant business mileage, made a healthy profit on their mileage allowances which was a nice supplement to their salaries. You can see why HMRC are trying to let this wither on the vine. It is grossly unfair on PAYE employees who have to cover all their own travel expenses and can't claim tax relief on anything. "Oh, I needed a new ipad to do my tax return so I'll claim tax relief on it. And the ipad sits on the kitchen table so I'll say that's for business use too. While we're at it, the cost of heating the kitchen is also an allowable expense..." Ker-ching!

Edited by unthrottled on 03/04/2012 at 14:23

40p/mile a joke. Time for a review? - ChannelZ

I'm a civil servant, and I get 42p a mile, it just went up from 40p a mile a few months ago.

I still prefer using the fleet cars, though. Saves waiting for months...