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Solar Panels. - Dutchie

Hello,does anybody have solar panels on their roof and is it worthwhile having?

Solar Panels. - Armitage Shanks {p}
Will you live long enough to recoup the costs? I won't!

www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generate-your-own-ene...y
Solar Panels. - Dutchie

Problaby not Armitage I believe in Germany they had a scheme that any household fitting these panels got a big refund .There are systems now the solar panels are in roof tiles.

Solar Panels. - dadbif
For water or electricity? Photovoltaic
Panels work with sunlight, however
Panels for water require sunshine to
Heat the water. We have two panels
For water here in Spain, although day
Temperatures are unto 24c at the mo
The short period that the sun is high in
The sky means that we are now using
Gas again for hot water, don't believe
All the hype, how often do you get hours
Of sun in UK?
Solar Panels. - Falkirk Bairn

30 years ago my BiL fitted roof mounted panels to heat water.

the panels are still there and undoubtedly the current owners are benefiting from it

However he paid £3,000 in 1980 money for the water heating panels - his band new 4 bed bungalow cost £26,000 to build 3 years earlier on a plot of land that cost £10,000.

The truth is he would never have made a profit from the roof panels if you looked at the cost savings Vs the Capital cost (but he had more money than sense when buying the panels - he also bought 2 x brand new Jaguars that gave him grief a round the same time)

Solar Panels. - Dutchie

With the panels is it actually sun you need or light? I wouldt spend the money now to old for it to recoup.What about young people starting with a new house it must be benefical to have panels for say hot water or am I naive?

Solar Panels. - Collos25

Technology moves on in the UK they are selling very old stuff.New generation of photo voltaic panels roll out like a carpet does not matter if they freeze.Some of the new water heating panels are made from carbon and do not need antifreeze they are best floor mounted on tracker bases.

Adding anti freeze lowers the viscosity of the heating fluid and makes it very unresponsive so to be avoided.You are correct in thinking that in Germany there is a gauranteed buy back but you would still need many years to see a payback(less time than the UK) .

Dresden where I live is becoming the solar panel producing capital of europe with new factories opening all the time.

Before I retired I spent a good few years advising the UK government/Councils/Universties on renewable energy .The most cost effective piece of equipment I ever saw was an imbiss just outside of Colditz he had a alternator a couple of wagon batteries a home made fan on a pole and it produced enough power to light the place cost peanuts.

Solar Panels. - dadbif

Problem with using solar panels for water heating is that they perform best when you need them least. When the family visits in the height of summer, 40c outside,nobody wants a scaldingly hot shower, however, now as the days get shorter and the sun is low in the sky the water is just warm enough for a shower in the morning, we use gas for household water, washing up etc.

As an aside, during the pre-election leaders debates, the one with one eye was asked if he supported green technology, he replied that he had installed solar water heating at his home ,in Kircaldy for gods sake, the land of constant sunshine, and was very pleased with the hot water supply, we had a good laugh at that!

Anyway, back to the topic, keep your money in your pocket, solar electricity works and works well but the water heating is a bit of a con. If you live on the equator however, you are on a winner!

Solar Panels. - Vitesse6

I installed a solar collector for water heating spring 2009. I have a south facing porch roof of about 2 square metres and I made the panel myself to cover that area. Panel is a wooden frame, insulation board base and a matrix of 15mm copper tube with thin lead sheeting in tight contact, all sprayed matt black. I scavenged the glass from the double glazing boys who were putting new windows in next door. Total cost of the panel was about £100.

The porch roof sits just below the hot water tank, so I disconnected the boiler feed from the heating coil and connected the panel to the cold instead. The immersion heater is short enough that it only heats the top half of the tank.

On a hot sunny day (south Devon) I get enough hot water from the panel, immersion heater is off. Other days the panel pre heats the water leaving the immersion with less to do.

My average electricity consumption has dropped by about 1 unit per day which means the panel will pay for itself in about 3 years. The panel isn't as efficient as a commercial one, but even on a moderately sunny day the panel is heating the water.

Please contact me if you want more details.

Solar Panels. - Dutchie

Thanks Vitesse.

Our water tank was removed last year,we had a open system two tanks in the loft one for central heating top up and one for cold water to top up the immersion heater.I did't want to climb in the loft anymore so now we have a combination boiler which touch wood up to now works very well.What you have done is very sensible and it shows with a bit if ingenuity what can be achieved.Just on the news so my wife tells me gas prices are about to go up by 9% where will it end?

Solar Panels. - Max Headroom

Hello,does anybody have solar panels on their roof and is it worthwhile having?

Yes, definitely worth it, depending on your location/roof-size/orientation-to-sun and installation costs.

It is so lucrative that the likes of British Gas and NPower are offering to install it free and let you use it free, provided they get the income from the Government FIT scheme.

www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generate-your-own-ene...r

www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generate-your-own-ene...e.

Solar Panels. - Dutchie

Thanks Max.

I have a look into this your help is appreciated.

Solar Panels. - conara
Morning all, I have a lot of info on pannels and solar farms, and I am happy to post if you all interested, but the average pay back is aprox 25 years taking into account things like loan intrest matainace etc the latest cells just need light not direct sunlight , you could be better off looking at geothermal for heating , but it depends how you feal, NASCAR have just converted a huge site to supply one site when it is open at weekends and holidays the rest going to the grid and that pay back is 35 years using cells with a life of 20 years , but for them it is good to look a littel greener .
Solar Panels. - Max Headroom
Morning all, I have a lot of info on pannels and solar farms, and I am happy to post if you all interested, but the average pay back is aprox 25 years taking into account things like loan intrest matainace etc the latest cells just need light not direct sunlight , you could be better off looking at geothermal for heating , but it depends how you feal, NASCAR have just converted a huge site to supply one site when it is open at weekends and holidays the rest going to the grid and that pay back is 35 years using cells with a life of 20 years , but for them it is good to look a littel greener .

Are you talking about the UK? Have you looked at teh FIT tariff? If so, I am sorry to say but I think your 35 years payback claim can only be described as nonsense.

The FIT scheme www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generate-your-own-ene...e in the UK means that there is no longer any need to worry about a payback time. The scheme is so good that some energy companies will install the solar panels free and let you use the electricity you need for free. In return, they will take the money for any excess sold to the grrd. In other words, zero cost to you, free solar electricity for you, and zero payback period.

Edited by Max Headroom on 26/11/2010 at 11:11

Solar Panels. - Max Headroom

If link in above post returns an error.

Try this

www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generate-your-own-ene...e

Solar Panels. - conara
Hi max no the last project we looked at was a 75 h site to enable self sufficiency for a small community so we have to factor all elements from residual value of land, power storage, intrest on loan, rebate available we have to look at the full feasibility of what is available and ROI , that's where we get our pay back period , now thair is a chap on hear pre heating his water with equipment costing him £100 that's a good to save a bit of cash, so we are not comparing eggs with eggs hear that why I said I have information if people require it. ( but on a larger scale)

And in my humble opinion solar and geothermal energy is a great way forward but the Tec is not in the right place yet


Solar Panels. - tradesmen

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Solar Panels. - jamie hout
I do but it was left by the old owner, can i use it? can u tell me where can i get help
Solar Panels. - Vitesse6

If you are replying to the original post, can you give some more information. What sort of panels do you have, photo voltaic or solar collectors for hot water.

As much info as possible

Solar Panels. - jamie hout

i may find it expensive but effective

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Edited by Avant on 19/10/2011 at 21:35

Solar Panels. - Alexav

Deffinately it is worthwhille..

Solar Panels. - tobyjug

Just had payment of £460 for three months feed in tariff.

24 panels on south facing roof.

Works out at 8.5% on initial outlay. I am satisfied.

My free electric during the day is a bonus

Edited by tobyjug on 14/04/2011 at 15:47

Solar Panels. - Engineer Andy

I would generally concur with most posts here, in that:-

  1. It shouldn't be JUST about payback periods for installing solar panels (and any other green technology), its each person making a long-term commitment to reduce the dependancy on fossil fuels as an energy source - a big THUMBS UP for those who have done so!
  2. For those of us who need to look after the pennies at the moment, it's generally accepted that using solar panels to heat hot water is a much better bet at present, as the technology is more mature, does not rely (so much) on government subsidies (which ironically may be withdrawn if schemes become too popular [a typically short-sighted attitude from the previous UK government, let's hope the current one is better]) to be "viable" from a payback point-of-view (can be well over 15-20 years in many cases for photvoltaics, as opposed to 3-8 years for solar hot***er).
  3. Assuming you have access to a south-facing pitched roof, most solar hot***er systems should provide about 30-40% of a house's annual hot***er demand, which is not bad going.

When I specify such systems when working on new-build housing projects, they (solar hot***er systems) make a very effective contribution to reducing properties' carbon footprint (better than photvoltaics), and can be a very effective selling point given the relatively rapid payback period.

One word of warning, though - as with all "green" technolgies, there are many companies enetering the market now, several of which have no experience in such technology (they just re-sell others equipment, rather than make their own), some of whom are decidedly dodgy customers (I suspect some may be featured on BBC Watchdog in the coming years), so watch out! I would go with:

a) Recommendations from friends and family as regards the service (not an appraisal of the technology) provided;

b) Look for established firms with a track record of providing quality equipment and service - many boiler manufacturers are major players. Some other firms providing many green energy systems will also have a good deal of experience. Make sure that your needs and options are explained fully. in simple terms that you can understand and without the hard sell - a sign of a reputable firm is one that tells you NOT to buy their most expensive kit available, and is open to showing you other installations (go and see them if you can - a "test drive");

c) DO NOT pick the first package you fell meets your needs! Take your time before you choose, and also evaluate alternatives (it may be more cost-effective to replace your crumby old 65% effecient boiler with a 90% efficient one first, or to have cavity-wall/roofspace insulation/decent double-galzed windows installed first).

d) Make sure you aren't wasting energy needlessly around the home (one of the Greater London Authority's [GLA] good strategies is "Mean, Lean, Green")

  • Mean - use as little energy as possible (buy energy efficient equipment, don't leave them on/onstandy, leave windows open in winter unnecessarily, etc);
  • Lean - where you do need to produce energy (e.g. heat for hot water/heating your home), do so as efficiently as you can (make sure the boiler [for example] is a reliable, easy-to-service/use and long-lasting unit);
  • Green - Use equipment/primary energy sources (fuel) that are the least environmentally-detrimental as you can afford (see payback above) whilst meeting your other requirements - note that this should include transportation of the fuel (wood pellets sourced from over 30 miles away for boilers is not so green), servicing (not the financial costs - how far/often the service contractor needs to visit, fitting/transporting/making replacement parts, longevity of equipment). A good firm should be able to provide you with such information. A local, reputable firm may be better in may cases than a national one.

Sorry for the long post - I seemed to be "in the groove" for writing it. I hope it's helpful.

Solar Panels. - Engineer Andy

For anyone who is curious, I didn't write hot***ter but hot water, just as one word (the term can be written as either in Building Services Engineering) - I've no idea how the HJ offensive word screening program can view the term as such, but it gave me a laugh anyway...

Solar Panels. - TeeCee

I've no idea how the HJ offensive word screening program can view the term as such,

Take off the "ho" prefix, the "er" suffix and see what you have left........:-)

Solar Panels. - unthrottled

Just had payment of £460 for three months feed in tariff.

You wouldn't get 1/4 of that if you were paid the market rate for intermittent electricity. The trouble with solar is rather like wind-it's either sunny or windy all over north west Europe or nowhere-so either everyone wants to pump their glut of low grade electricity into the grid and pick up their 'green' subsidy or they all want to tap into the grid and leach off the baseload. That's the problem with most of these 'renewables'-they usually end up simply displacing carbon emissions. In this case it is operating the carbon intensive baseload at low load ready reducing the efficiency.

Solar Panels. - jamie hout

Since photovoltaic solar panels are primarily made of silicon, there are no dangers of leaking toxins or fumes. However, there are electrical components involved. Exercise caution as you would around any type of electricity. When sunlight shines on the panels, the panels convert sunlight directly into DC (Direct Current) electricity. The electricity goes from the panels to an inverter, where it is then changed to AC (alternating current) electricity. The AC power is then piped through the regular home electrical system for normal use. Rest assured, a professionally installed system has all its live wires concealed in conduit or inside of walls where it is completely safe and secure. Should you have any operational issues with your solar panels: * Please call a certified, experienced solar contractor for assistance. * If the original installer is unavailable, contact a reputable solar contractor for help to diagnose the problem. * Fire hazards can occur with faulty wiring or damage to the electrical components. Do not try to fix these problems yourself without professional help! Doing so may result in serious damage to your property, yourself, or others. It’s not worth the risk!

Edited by Avant on 19/10/2011 at 21:33

Solar Panels. - Collos25

If you are going to buy Solar panels do it sooner rather than later as it is proposed to half the feeder tariff to new customers early next year making them a not very good investment.

Solar Panels. - jorgea

It takes time to see the financial rewards from solar panels