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Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - Alwright on the night

Hi,

Any thoughts appreciated...! My C5 is losing a lot of coolant and needs topping up every couple of days. I've had the head gasket checked and there's no problem, there are no leaks and I've changed the cap to the resevoir so it's not escaping there. The engine starts fine and the car is driving fine. It has done a long distance drive recently without incident however I'm very wary about getting stuck in traffic and overheating.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks

Alwright

Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - Peter D

Take the car for a run late at night when it is dark. come home and stop the engige and use a powerfull torch to try and detect steam coming from any part of the cooling system particularly the radiator. Reagrds Peter

Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - Peter.N.

Place a recepticle under the the overflow pipe from the header tank - just to make absoulubtly sure its not the head gasket.

Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - sb01

Hi Peter.N.

I had a similar problem with my C5 HDI 110 some years ago. The Citroen dealers denied any knowledge of head gasket problems with these engines, and were adamant that this was not a head gasket problem. My symptoms were similar to yours, loosing coolant with no trace. I established that the cooling system was becoming pressurised - after running at normal temperature - say an hour or more - allow the engine to cool down. My header tank still looked full until I removed the pressure cap . . . not easy, as the internal pressure was significant. I found the header tank was still pressurised the morning after a long run. Any good garage should be able to do a gas analysis in teh header tank to detect exhaust gasses. When the Citroen dealer removed the head they found the gasket blown between the water jacket and No. 4 cylinder, AND some corrosion to the head - would an earlier strip-down have been beneficial? They couldn't skim the head as the engine mountings are positioned in such a way as to limit the facility for skimming to max 5 thou - according to Citroen. Precious little change from £1K, so it was time to replace the C5, which I still miss . . .

Hopefully yours will be something minor . . .

Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - Collos25

If you cannot see any water coming out either as steam or liquid then its the head without a doubt..My advice is get rid .

Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - Alwright on the night
Hey, guess what...

I got the sniffer test done - it is the head gasket and there won't be any change from a grand. It saddens me but the car's on the way to the sc*** heap...

Thanks for your replies

Alwright
Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - Alwright on the night

Just want to point out my last message wasn't rude, unless sc rap is now a rude word!

Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - Peter.N.

Its the word in the middle that causes the problem!

Sorry to hear of your diagnosis, there's a lot of it about, wouldn't be to expensive to do it yourself though.

Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - queeniebrae
I've just dianosed the
Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - Peter.N.

Hdi engines are much better than the old XUDs for gasket failure, I have a 406 with over 200k on it with the original gasket and my C5 has done nearly 150 but when I was looking to buy these cars I came across several with leaky head gaskets.

Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - raysheppard

hi ,could you have a problem with the water pump . if you havnt change the cam belt and water pump recently it could that . they normal leak when you are driving along .you would see water makes by the drives side front wheel on the ground .put a piece of cardboard under that side at night and look in the morning .most likely to be water pump problem .

Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - Newsman Face

Almost certainly head gasket. My Peugeot 406 with the same engine blew twice (62 k and 162k) and my C5 is just starting at 134k. These engines are obviously rubbish and I will not be buying a diesel in future. The £500-1000 it costs to do the repair buys a lot of petrol.

Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - Peter.N.
You have been very unlucky then, my experience over more than 15 years of running XUD engines is that the gaskets usually fail at around 150k but the HDIs although they can like any engine fail at any time my experience that if you buy one with 150k+ on it and the head gasket is good it will last much longer, I have two that have covered 148k and 206k respectively with no sign of leakage.
Citroen C5 Hdi (2001) - Coolant loss without leaks nor head gasket probs - Collos25
Just about every manufacturer uses PAS engines I suppose all these are rubbish as well.