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Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - dieseldogg

If so what is available and how the heck can one search for models available?

I know of a man locally running a factory spec dual fuel Vauxhall, plus a retrofit Honda, both of which he is very pleased with.

I would otherwise be a diesel "nut" but with all the newly developed problems/technologies am a wee bit circumspect about purchasing diesel again

looking to do 200,000 plus miles over 10 plus years in any car purchased

Cos I absolutly hate giving car dealers money

cheers

M

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - dieseldogg
Scheesh I get more positive responses from the missis.
Humph.
Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - Dynamic Dave
Scheesh I get more positive responses from the missis. Humph.

Have you tried asking elsewhere?

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 29/04/2010 at 14:56

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - Avant

Sorry - a lot of us are at work (I'm in my lunch hour now) and you should get more responses this evening!

As Dave helpfully suggests, there are places elsewhere on this site where you can usefully look. Click on Ask Honest John and FAQ 23 will help you: you can also click on the link and write direct to HJ.

Also there's a link to 'useful websites' near the top of this same page: it'll be worth looking here, as well of course as googling 'dual fuel'.

Final thought - have you had a look at the new improved Toyota Prius?

Good luck!

Edited by Avant on 29/04/2010 at 15:39

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - dieseldogg

Oh ere I should be embarrased to ask HJ's advice again.( smilie reqd)

& Yes I did take a wee gleek at the "ask HJ bit"

cheers

M

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - dieseldogg
Double humph & sniff.
I were well right re my second posting.
jat
M
Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - b308

If its any help I did look at LPG, but in the "ordinary" car section the tank takes up too much boot space for my liking, either getting rid of the spare wheel or actually in the boot! I think if I was just commuting in it and therefore boot space was not so vital I'd seriously look at one... but as soon as you want to carry anything...

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - dieseldogg

Yep, ideally a big Volvo estate with excess luggage capacity ( and therefore very poor fuel economy)

But actually I thought that some of the factyory spec cars now had the LPG cylinder incorporated within the envelope of the petrol tank, Ok resulting in a lower petrol capacity, but full /normal room for luggage.

cheers

M

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - idle_chatterer

I don't think that Volvos are that 'big' any more, V70s certainly used to be available factory built with dual-fuel but not with the more powerful engines IIRC, I wouldn't describe them as particularly capacious compared to (say) a Mondeo estate either.

Remember that you'll not be allowed to use the Channel Tunnel with a Dual Fuel car.

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - dieseldogg

Bother enough getting out of N Ireland so not concerned about the Chunnel.

re Ford re LPG/ dual fuel......NO Thanks...............we bought a factory fit dual fuel transit here at work a no of years ago.................brand spanking new

but

endless trouble.........ford knew nowt about.....etc......etc.............etc.....etc......etc

Plus absolutly gutlesss to drive

cheersagain

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - Avant

A lot of the problerms with diesels happen whne they're driven exclusively in town, and the DPF gets clogged up. A hybrid like a Prius would bne better for town work.

But if you're going to do 20,000 miles a year you should be fine in a good diesel if you have the oil changed regularly and keep to the service schedule.

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - dieseldogg

Thank you Avant,

just what I wanted to hear, ( I do 17,000 plus/annum & see below forby)

plus with the youngsters "out & about" I am sure a DPF will not cause any problems, it will probably get regenerated often enough.

cheers M

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - dieseldogg

So a Passet 1.4TSI =40mpg*.08 for LPG = 32mpg effective, but LPG = 60p = 64mpg effective

a Blueline diesel = 60mpg on diesel @ 120p

even stevens ...............................except i feel that a diesel is more likely to match or exceed the claimed mpg figures than a petrol

and i rather drive a diesel

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - Talking Hoarse

In UK we do not seem too keen on LPG. However I think I am about to buy a new i30 and have noted in the spec's for these cars in other markets that LPG models are listed & available, ie in manufactureres catalogue, covered I presume by 5 yr warranty. Why do we not see manufacturer built /converted lpg's any more in UK? As far as I recall only a few Fords were available and Vauxhalls converted at Millbrook.

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - idle_chatterer

I have to agree with you dieseldogg, I've had 2 cars with DPFs and whilst the 1st (an Audi A4 B7) did regenerate on the second day I had it I can't recall it ever regenerating again in the following 2 years and 32K miles. Similarly my 330d has never regenerated (to my knowledge) in 20K miles and 13 months. The BMW easily exceeds the claimed economy figures, the Audi really struggled to get even to around 80% of them.

I like the idea of LPG but the engines tend to be lower powered variants and deliver even less power when running on LPG, coupled with compromises on boot space or fuel capacity and limitations on using tunnels I'm not convinced.

Having said all this, when selecting SWMBO's Golf we went for the 1.4TSi because it usually does short journeys and less than 6K miles per year so I was concerned that a DPF equipped diesel would encounter problems. At this mileage I'm not sure that mpg figures are such a big factor either.

LPG conversions seem (to me) to make sense on petrol 4x4s which are unloved to start with?

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - Xantiaman

In 2000 I converted a '97 Mitsubishi Galant 2.4 V6 to run on LPG. I got rid of the car 3 years later having added 130k miles to the clock. I had a blinking scary glitch around progressive braking as a teething problem but once this was sorted the system was trouble free. My eventual reason for changing was the torque convertor failing at a time when the car was worth maybe £1k.

IMO at that time, there were two sorts of LPG cars. Firstly those (like me) who wanted a relatively thirsty car that could be run at reasonable(ish) costs - so a lot of 4X4's. The other were the factory spec LPG, these were nearly always low spec, lower powered models where the overriding priority was clearly economy.

During the time I owned this car I came to realise how much diesels had moved on. My replacement was a derv Audi A4 1.9. None of the hassles of LPG, Better fuel economy and similar performance. I wouldn't go back to LPG now.

Two practical observations. Back in those days the LPG pumps appeared to fail fairly regularly and once out of action it was generally a week before they were up and running again. This was an issue for me as I was doing 40k mile/year but only had a range of 200 miles on a full tank of LPG.

Secondly, I've noticed that Sainsburys on the A1 at Biggleswade have revamped their petrol station and have removed their LPG pump, is this a sign of where retailers are heading?

Edited by Xantiaman on 08/05/2010 at 12:54

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - Avant

"Is this a sign of where retailers are heading?"

I think it could well be - people on this thread have set out clearly and admirably why that might happen.

Diesel is still a good bet for high-mileage motorists (for all the usual reasons, not least range between fill-ups), but the advent of the high-efficiency smaller-capacity petrol engine like the 1.2s in VAG and Renault cars, which are ideal for lower mileages, to my mind makes LPG unnecessary.

Should i buy a factory spec dual fuel/LPG car? - via roma

My views from here in Italy.

In Italy lpg stations are much more common.

Price has always been 50% of petrolcost

All the main car manufacturers offer lpg conversions as " standard fit options"

Most seem to use well respected BRC systems.

There are thousands of new cars using lpg and many thousands of older cars.

Forums here report very few major problems as garages know how to service lpg.

Even new VW, Ford, Nissan, Suzuki, Kia, Hyundai, Renault, Citroen, Peugeot etc all offer lpg on their smallest to their biggest engine sizes.

Over here buying an lpg car makes sense. I drive a 2ltr 145 hp Ford Focus which cost the same all in as Focus 1.6 tdci 90 hp. No turbos and dpf to worry about.

cost per kilometer is on a par with diesel car for similar power, but diesel car of similar power costs more to buy.

The final nail in diesel coffin for me, wife runs a company 1.9 diesel skoda octavia 3.5 years old. Every year some sensor has gone wrong leaving the car huffing and puffing, at 150k kilometers ( 90 k miles ) the turbo went and cost 2000 euros to put right. Thank goodness company car paid for. For me the gamble of new long term diesel car ownership is too high.

Must say also that driving a petrol again is a smooth pleasure. Yes i'm sure 3ltr v6 diesel are just as smooth but seen how much they cost !

In defence of skoda I think the ideal car is a PETROL skoda octavia 4*4 with lpg.