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Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
OK, I've had my first week with the new arrival, so time to post some first impressions.

Last Saturday I bought a 1999 Golf 1.8T GTI 5dr in Indigo Blue. It's done a few miles (133k), but is a one owner from new car with a very comprehensive service history. I paid £1850 for it which, based on others for sale, is a reasonable price. Neither over the odds or particularly cheap.

It's a tidy car overall. There's the usual front end stone chips consistent with the mileage, and the odd scratch here and there, but more importantly for me, no sign of any body repairs, mismatched paint, uneven panel gaps and so on. It's what I would call an honest car. No attempt had been made to tart anything up for sale, and any imperfections were easy to spot. It has the original manufacturers labels still stuck in the spare wheel well, the full tool kit, warning triangle and first aid kit in the boot, and apart from the service history, has real evidence of having had money spent on it (four matching Michelin Pilots, new looking front pads and discs, invoice for a new £500 air con compressor in the last 12 months etc etc). Overall, it gave a good impression. It even had the full original handbook folder with all contents present and correct, all old MOTs, emergency key wallet and all the other bits.

I picked a few faults when I drove it. There's a slight knock from the front suspensionover sharp bumps which I reckon is the front anti roll bar bushes. My VW tech mate concurs, and reckons some modded parts came out around this year which he will fit when he takes a look at the car. It's also due a service and timing belt imminently (which he's doing for me next week), and perhaps the only potentially serious item, a slight clutch judder particularly when cold.

I will put my hands up and admit that I didn't realise these cars had a DMF on them, but as we haven't looked into this in any detail yet, I'm trying not to draw any expensive conclusions. In any case, my mate recommends converting it to a solid flywheel if we do need to go that route, which makes about a £350 job with his time included. Not the end of the world I suppose. In his opinion, the DMF is completely unnecessary on the petrol engine, and he has done a few solid conversions now without any issue. I can live with it for now in any case.

Finally when returning to idle, the engine would hold at around 1500 RPM for 5 seconds or so before settling to normal speed. On quizzing the seller, he told me he'd cleaned the throttle body out last week (a common issue with the 1.8T), and it had done this ever since. In all other respects, it drove superbly. Tracked arrow straight with very positive steering, pulled like a train, and felt very responsive, and very tight for the mileage. Brakes smooth and reassuring, Nicely specced too. A superb set of Recaro seats, Climatronic, electric sunroof, electric windows all round, electric mirrors, ABS etc etc. All in perfect working order, apart from an intermittently noisy blower motor

Upon getting it home, I dug out my VAG COM, and performed a throttle body adaptation, which is recommended after the throttle body has been disturbed. The idle has been perfect ever since, and part throttle response noticeably crisper. One thing ticked off the list for 5 minutes work. I also took the opportunity to scan all the modules on the car for fault codes. Apart from an intermittent report on the Climatronic module for a fan blower fault (consistent with the motor noise), everything came back "clean". The blower is an easy replacement and not expensive. The other issues still remain until my mate can take a look at the car next week. Had great fun with VAG COM too actually. First time I've used it in anger, and its amazing what you can do with it.

After a week on the commute, I've done a brim to brim calculation at 32.8 mpg (against the computer's reported 34.3) which is not bad considering that included a week of some of the worst traffic I've ever seen on the M3, and a dash down to Southampton and back that was certainly not economy minded. Similar use would have had the Volvo well down into the 20's. The 1.8T engine is very impressive, being flawlessly smooth throughout the rev range, and with a very flat torque curve. It will pull from 1500 RPM without hesitation, yet rev cleanly through its range. At a steady 70 mph cruise, the computer shows well over 40 mpg. It's not the most inspiring sounding thing, and somewhat dull after the lovely Volvo 5 pot, but it is unobtrusive, responsive, and surprisingly frugal. Also easily remappable if I ever decide to go that route :-)

With the Recaros, low noise levels, and the still (to my mind) elegant, beautifully finished mk4 Golf dash, it's a lovely place to be. It has plenty of go, and handles much more neatly than the diesel version we have, with a much more agile feel to the nose, and a very impressive resistance to understeer. The only real fly in the ointment is the gearbox which is notchy and occasionally baulky, particularly on cold oil in the lower gears.

So, not perfect by any means, but seems to be a nice car overall. I will keep you posted what my mate finds when it's up on the ramps for the first time next week. I know it's 10 years old, but it really doesn't look it or feel it to drive. I've also had more positive comments on the car from friends and colleagues in a week than I had in 2 years with the Volvo. Whatever you say about Golfs, people like them.

I will add more as it comes.

Cheers
DP

Edited by DP on 14/02/2010 at 12:03

Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - bimmer-driver
Sounds like you've got a good un DP. Bloke over the road from me has a similar one- 1999 1.8t GTI . His is a black 5 door one and he swears by it. When he's cleaned and polished it you'd never think its 11 yrs old.
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - corax
Sounds like a good car for the money, especially as everything works including the aircon. If you're not doing a huge mileage, the 1.8T makes sense. As you say, they're not the most inspiring engine note to listen to, but they have a great balance between power and economy. Keep us posted.

Edited by corax on 14/02/2010 at 14:13

Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - Pugugly
Have you got a picture ?
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Not yet. Will post one ASAP. :-)
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Just shot a few in the rain. A week's worth of crud on it, and I haven't touched the interior yet, but it gives a fair representation.

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The clean engine and air filter covers are me testing some new ArmorAll stuff out last week ;-)

Cheers
DP


Edited by DP on 14/02/2010 at 14:36

Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - George Porge
Be careful scanning these cars if fitted with an aftermarket stereo, they are known for damaging scanners.
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Thanks Dox, yeah luckily I'd read about that, so disconnected it before I plugged in the VAG COM lead. Something to do with aftermarket stereos making one of the pins live which isn't normally when a standard stereo is fitted. This feed then gets shorted to direct to earth by the scanner. It can take out modules and all sorts. Nasty. :-(

The first non essential job on the list is to replace it with the correct "Gamma" head unit and separate CD player to go where the cubby hole is now. This is what we have in the other Golf and it's a decent setup. These crop up on Ebay all the time for reasonable money. The aftermarket one is a Sony CD tuner which works OK, but it looks awful. At least the installer did it properly and left the original wiring connectors in place so a standard unit will plug back in.


Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - CraigP
Congrats on your new purchase :) A few places i've read (in fact i think HJ's CBCB too) say that this is the engine to go for in this car.
a slight clutch judder particularly when cold


Ours is quite pronounced when cold, doesn't happen all the time but it's a proper shudder when it does. This seems to be a "feature" of one of the gearbox / DMF clutch combo's, off the top of my head it's something like "o2k" code.

I did a fair bit of online research and it seems to be common to that one combination. Along with a high biting point for the clutch.

On account of various recommendations, I've decided to hang onto it until it falls off :-)
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Thanks Craig. Yes, it has the high biting point too. To be honest, I'd just put it down to 130k and the original clutch. Had I known it had a DMF, I would have probably worried about it a bit more at the time, but you live and learn. As you say, it's probably worth living with it until it becomes a problem. The clutch is a little "sharp" in action too (compared with our diesel Golf), so I suspect it is coming to the end of its life.

To be honest, I still don't understand why a DMF is fitted to a 150bhp 4 pot petrol engine. It doesn't have the massive individual cylinder pulses to smooth out like it has on the 40% torquier diesels, and the web is full of examples of people who've converted these to solid flywheels with no ill effects.

Do you have the same car?

Cheers
DP
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - TimOrridge
DP - I have a gamma CD only head unit at home which was out of MK4 Golf. Yours for free if you pay postage (£4ish standard parcels) to get it down to you. Problem is that I'm not sure if it works or not and no way of testing it. Can take a pic of it it tha wants? Totally up to you..

Mods - is that allowed?
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Tim, for four quid, I'll take the chance.

Do you have a code for it?
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - TimOrridge
Not sure about the code. Dad brought all sorts home when he worked for VW. I'm going round tomorrow or Tuesday so I'll have a look at it. email me your email address. timorridge at tiscali dot co dot uk
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Tim,

Many thanks. You have mail.

Cheers
DP
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - CraigP
Different engine, 1.6 non turbo. Dull but dependable :-)

I don't know why it has a DMF either, sat kind of shocked for a few mins after letting the info from haynes manual sink in :-/

Ours is a first car for my better half, 4 star euro ncap crash test, decent spec (e/w, e/m, e/sunroof...), nice colour... ticked all the boxes.
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - frazerjp
I was going to consider a Mk4 1.8T myself, I would somehow imagine it's worlds away from my Mk3 2.0 8v.

Out of curiosity, how many revs @ 70 mph DP?
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - cheddar
I was going to consider a Mk4 1.8T myself I would somehow imagine it's worlds
away from my Mk3 2.0 8v.


Circa 1999 a colleague was very underwhelmed by a Mk IV GTi 1.8 20v 125bhp, lacked torque compred to his previous Mk III 2.0 8v 115 bhp though the 1.8T would be a different matter surely.
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - rtj70
I had the 1.8T engine in the Golf GTi, Audi A4 Sport of the time, and two VW Passat 1.8Ts. My thoughts:

- Ride of the Golf was a little firm and it would tramline
- Audi was a better handler (it cost a lot more!) but had low spec apart from the Sport suspension etc.
- Passats were comfortable but wallowed in corners

I liked them all and the engine was more than adequate. The Mondeo that replaced the second Passat handled better than the Golf and being a diesel had good everyday performance. Not as fast as the Golf but as fast as the Passat. Seats in the Passat were better than the Mondeo.

The Mazda6 diesel is as good at handling as the Mondeo, plenty quick enough and is very comfortable.

My Golf GTi 1.8T was nicked after 6 months. I enjoyed it but it was a car I had wanted and got one but it was not as comfortable as I would have liked in the end. And it needed a new gearbox on delivery too. And a new turbo soon after and the driver's seat needed to be taken apart to stop the noises/squeeks.
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - TimOrridge
This is the email that I have just tried to send but my ISP decided that it will smtp error me, pah!! I've added the pics to photobucket (see link) s596.photobucket.com/albums/tt49/timorridge/

Hi Dan,

I have taken a few screenshots of the radio. There is a "BETA" (not gamma sorry) tape head unit. It does say Polo/Lupo on the side but I guess that it would fit the Golf and also the CD unit that I mentioned. The cable from the CD unit fits the tape deck and there is an additional cable which I'm not sure what its for. The pics look a bit grainy but its my phone cameras rubbish, they are in reasonable nick.

Unfortunatly collection is out, I'm in Yorkshire. What details do you need for direct bank transfer? and then I can send quicker.

Hope they are of use to you. As said before I cant guarantee fully working as I can test, but for £4 worth a try I guess.

Let me know pal.

Tim.
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Tim,

I need the account number, name and sort code (send me a PM or email obviously). If you're not comfortable with providing that, we can do a PayPal transfer if you have that. Alternatively I can send you a cheque. Whatever's easiest for you mate.

Will four quid cover it?

Cheers
DP


Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - TimOrridge
Mmm £4 good point. I was under the impression that a parcel was £4 upto 10kg but just double checked and it is £7 sorry. That is based on a 4kg package delivered within UK from Royal Mail.

Is that still OK? Happy to send bank details.
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Tim,

£7 is absolutely fine. Still a bargain! :-)

If you email me your bank details, I'll transfer it across to you tomorrow.

Thanks again.
DP
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - TimOrridge
Sent the email..
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Hi Tim,

Just spoke to the bank. Transfer arranged - it will leave my account tomorrow.

Thanks again
DP
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Out of curiosity how many revs @ 70 mph DP?


Just a whisker over 2900 RPM at 70 mph. The instant readout on the fuel computer settles around the low 40's on level road surface at this speed. Based on my calculations over the last tankful, the computer is about 3% optimistic.
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - idle_chatterer
DP, Just to show my pedantry - it appears to have a straight (rather then the OEM curved) nearside front wiper blade - a personal 'hate' as it shows a lack of concern for the aesthetics I'd admit.

SWMBO had a 2000 2.0 'GTi' (Highline really) with climatronic and the sports pack (so the same wheels / suspension as yours), we regretted our engine choice - torquey but ultimately neither particularly fast nor economical but loved the car, so much so that after some infidelity with Ford and Honda we're back with the MK6 - which finally has an interior to match the MK4 IMHO.

Good luck with the car, looks lovely.
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - NickS
Nice car DP...... im currently deciding whether to re-involve myself with another Mk4 V6 4Motion or get a Volvo C70...... but thats for another thread.

Can I ask where you got your VAG COM from? I would like to hook my MkV Golf up and have a little tinker.............
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - Pezzer
DP, I had one of these as a co car for 4 years. My memory of it now was that I liked the interior/lighting and that it looked as good on the day I gave it back as the day I got it. However I had to get the throttle body 'cleaned' many times and I found that it was prone to turbo lag when rolling up to junctions/lights/r'abouts in second and then wanting to pull away smartly when the lights changed or a gap appeared.

Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Thanks all for the comments. :-)

Just got back from the service and inspection. Told my mate to be brutal(ly honest) and tell me everything he found. Most of it not surprising. One big surprise:

1) Excessive play in the front anti roll bar bushes. That explains the knocking. The car doesn't have the later (modified) parts fitted. He's ordering a set to fit next week.
2) Minor oil leak from the back of the engine somewhere. Hard to trace, and not excessive. One to keep an eye on rather than urgently fix.
3) Centre exhaust support bracket broken. He can repair this rather than replace it.
4) The big surprise - both rear coil springs are broken just above the seat. They make no noise, car feels fine. Go figure! About £35 a side plus fitting, and "a piece of urine" to do according to him.

Brakes all good, engine "fit as a fiddle", clutch ok for now, but definitely in the later part of its life, engine management / fuelling / turbo all fine. Basically he reckons it's a bit tired here and there, but by no means past it as long as we get all the odds and ends sorted and keep on top of things. Reckons it was a good buy.

Fresh oil and filter, new air filter, new pollen filter, new spark plugs and a brake fluid change done tonight. Will start on the list above from next week, plus of course the cambelt. He wasn't too concerned at the 61k duty on the belt so far. Apparently they were rated at 120k originally, then later halved. He reckons no issues driving it around for a few more weeks til we can fit it in around the other stuff.


Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - Lud
Sounds as if you have a good car and a good indy mechanic DP.

I've done a few miles in an Octavia 4x4 with that engine and I like it a lot. Unobtrusive but gutsy. If it has a fault it's that it isn't quite scintillating under acceleration, although very solid and strong. Perhaps with 2wd it will have a bit more shine. The Golf body may be lighter than the Octavia's too, although the extra machinery with the 4x4 is what really makes the difference.
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
He's a very old friend of the father-in-law's, and he's been a VW tech for 25 yrs with a small gap in between. Good as gold, and it's nice to be able to leave a car with someone and say "find what needs doing" without fear of being ripped off. It's also satisfying to have a VW serviced in a VW dealer workshop, by a VW tech for mates rates (£80 for that little lot tonight). No book stamp, but for that money and a car of this age and value, I'm not bothered. The management are cool with it as long as it doesn't interfere with customer work, so after 5pm is usually fine.

I know what you mean about the engine. It definitely isn't the most characterful, but it does go well. Given it a few more beans now it's on clean oil, and it does pull nicely. Noticeably quicker than the S60 was, but doesn't sound half as nice :-)

Edited by DP on 15/02/2010 at 20:06

Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - TimOrridge
DP,

Item posted this morning.

Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Tim,

You're a gentleman. Thank you.

Cheers
DP
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Tim,

It arrived safe and sound this afternoon. Many thanks.

Having a few problems installing it. It would appear, despite the aftermarket unit using a "proper" ISO adapter lead that someone has been messing with the wiring on the multiplug. The illumination works, but turning the unit on sees it light up briefly and go out again. I don't think it's the stereo, but the car, as there seems to be a live feed missing on the multiplug! AARRGHH

Can anyone say "can of worms"? :-(

EDIT: A few minutes with a multimeter and cross checking against wiring pinouts found online (and a helpful colour photo of the wiring colours I found on uk mkivs) tells me someone has been playing silly so-and-so's with the ISO connector on the car. The pin that should be the switched live is connected to what looks like an aftermarket antenna booster, the switched live pin is up the wrong end of the multi connector entirely, and one of the permanent lives is in completely the wrong place!

Now I just have to work out how to remove the pins from the multiplug without breaking anything, a couple of minutes and we should be up and running. A job for morning when a) it's light, and b) it's not minus a berjillion out there!

Always the simple jobs, right?

Cheers
DP

Edited by DP on 19/02/2010 at 22:26

Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - TimOrridge
No problem, hope it is of use. Nice looking car BTW, the MK4 in my opinion is the best looking Golf yet. My first car was a F plate MK2 1.6CL, miss that dearly as you do the first car then was followed by a J Reg Jetta LX. I've noticed you are missing a wheel badge, a colleagues old MK4 with same wheels were missing them, must fall off easily. I briefly drove a 1.8T for work 20 mile round trip and few years back and boy did I give the beans, seem to remember only car that did 40 in first gear and pulled a nice couple of chrips from front tyres shifting into second in the dry!
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - rtj70
pulled a nice couple of chrips from front tyres shifting into second in the dry!


Yes they can lose traction easily. It's only got about 205Nm torque as well. My Mazda6 diesel has 360Nm and doesn't do this. The Golf also tramlines easily.

I admit I only had mine for about 6 months before it was stolen in 2000. It was never seen again and would be difficult to put a new identity on it properly. How many black 5 doors with sunroof, aircon, cruise control, CD autochanger in boot and blue chequered seats were ever made? The default colour for seats was red/black and it had a sunroof and no aircon. And cruise control.... ;-)

It also needed a new gearbox on delivery and turbo parts. VW quality control was not so good in 1999. All fault put right though.

Edited by rtj70 on 20/02/2010 at 13:58

Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - whoopwhoop
How many black 5 doors with sunroof, aircon, cruise control, CD
autochanger in boot and blue chequered seats were ever made?


I ticked quite a few of those boxes when I ordered mine back in 2000 - Black... 5 door... Sunroof... Aircon (actually the ac became standard in 2000)... Cruise. However I had a single slot CD with Black/grey seats with the winter pack (comprising completely useless headlight squirters and heated seats)

The default colour for seats was red/black


There wasn't a "default" seat colour imposed - there was always a free choice of Black/grey, Black/red or Black/blue - however most went for Black/Grey on a Black car.
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Well, wiring re-jig completed (ISO connector is now wired as VW intended) and units installed. Radio works a treat, but the CD player doesn't unfortunately. It lights up, but won't load discs. Lots of whirring and whining, and the disc stays put. If you manually push the disc in to a point, the "CD IN" light comes on, but it still sits there whirring and clicking to itself. I got a bit enthusiastic with it, and now it's swallowed a disc lol. Going to have to dismantle it to retrieve it. To be fair, I would have had a look anyway. Sounds like something mechanical has gone kaput rather than an electrical fault. I'm sure it's fixable / bodgable.

Radio 4 is the staple diet on the commute, and I can get that nicely, so not the end of the world for now. :-)

More fiddling to come. Will keep you posted.

rtj70 - haven't noticed any tramlining to be honest. Can't also say I find traction an issue.

Cheers
DP


Edited by DP on 20/02/2010 at 19:48

Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - Alby Back
Do you carry a fire extinguisher DP? Just a random thought of course......

;-)
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP
Humph,

I still can't believe how lucky I got that nothing blew up when I connected a standard stereo to an unbeknown to me, non-standard wired connector on the car. That could have been expensive. And rather toasty.

I recall the smell of burning electrical insulation on car wiring takes days to clear from one's nostrils!
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - whoopwhoop
My brother fitted the VAG double din full screen Navigation unit for his Mk4. IIRC it took quite a bit of mucking about with wiring looms, wheel sensors and various modules, but well worth while in the end.

This was about 4 years ago and the bits were going for around the £200 mark on ebay (from Germany I think).

I'll ask him what he did with his old Gamma & CD...
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - ifithelps
...CD player doesn't work...

DP,

iPod - said as a recent convert to MP3 players.

With your skills, I'm sure you could wire one in semi-permanently, and you'd never use the CD player again.

Lots of Radio 4 podcasts available for the programmes you miss.

Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - TimOrridge
DP - how did you get on with repairing the cd player? Did you manage to fix it?
Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP

Hi Tim,

No joy unfortunately. One of the gears on the loading mechanism was badly worn and slipping. I rang around but couldn't find spares, and one of the printer engineers at work had a trawl through his spares box but couldn't find anything to suit. To be honest, the mechanism was unbelievably complex, and I wouldn't have fancied my chances dismantling it and getting it back together without breaking something else. I kept the facia panel, wiring loom and a couple of the motors for potential use as spares in future, and skipped it. The radio/cassette head unit is installed in the car and working well though.

BTW, I got a letter from the bank the other day saying the payment had been returned due to 'incorrect details'. I don't want you to be out of pocket. Can you reconfirm the details by e-mail and I will re-send it.

I've seen that double DIN head unit and it looks fantastic. It would be nice to have.

Car is going well, but it did pop a rear caliper seal a couple of weeks ago which was doubly annoying as I'd only had a full fluid change a few days before that. My tech friend was away on holiday, so I fitted a replacement (guaranteed used) unit myself. And promptly found out what a complete swine it is to wind a VW rear caliper piston back in without the correct tool! Improvised with a two legged hub puller, a pair of molegrips, and a DIY "adaptor plate" made out of two large stainless steel washers and a couple of self tapping screws. Don't ask, but it worked! Language wasn't pretty though! :-)

Cheers

DP

Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - TimOrridge

OK DP thanks, could you email me your email addres again please

timorridge at ovi dot com

Golf GTI 1.8T - first impressions - DP

Hi Tim,

you have mail.

Cheers

DP