i see what your getting at but i want to pose a little i suppose, and that works best in a bmw or merc, c'mon are they honestly that bad, i thought they were supposed to be built like a rock?
S98 onwards surely nothing can go wrong with a approved 30K miler?
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Hmm say you pay £10k.. and keep for 5 years : 50K miles. So after that it will have 80K miles on the clock and been serviced every year.
IF you buy a BMW,Audi or Merceds you must budget on repairs/maintenance about £500 per year. incl MOT and tyres
Depreciation: about £1400 per year.
Insurance about £300 - £400 per year.
Buy any Japanese and you can halve the maintenance and leave the rest the same but save £100 or so on insurance.
Having had all 3 - Mercedes, Audi and BMW - as company or private cars - I'd buy Japanese or a Ford.
The prestige models may look nice but over that mileage they WILL break down and be unreliable..
And as someone who lives where we get snow, I would never ever buy another rear wheel drive car. They are undriveable in snow in modern traffic imo..Try a BMW 3 or 5 Series in 2 inches of snow and if you get up a hill without stopping or round a bend downhill without spinning you are doing well..
And for what you get for your money Japanese or Ford are much better value..
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i'm gutted now,i really wanted one.
don't know what to do now, i tell you what i've always wanted though, misubishi evolution 6!
apart from insurance does that sound more japanese to you?
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If you can afford the fuel, go for it.. but will £10k be enough?
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maybe not quite enough.
it's only 2litre should get a good 33mpg i would think.
Maybe i'll do some research on car reliability, where can i look on the internet for something like jd power survey, cos i've looked for that before and couldn't find anything at all, even on the jd power website.
or any other car survey would be helpful
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Just to confuse this a little more. BMW, Merc etc. are still very reliable cars, possibly still a fraction more reliable than a Ford or maybe even a Toyota IMO. We've got a 96 P BMW and it still runs fine, it's low mileage though (36,000). We've not had anything major go wrong with it, except a couple of engine oil seals and a suspension bush.
If you wanna pose a bit, then get a Merc, BMWs no longer have any pose value, 'cos they're common as muck now.
On the other hand, if you want to enjoy similar levels of reliability, comfort etc. at a (possibly much) lower cost then go with the Ford, or maybe even the Toyota.
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My comment to this is that it is apalling that a 36k mile so-called quality car needs oil seals and suspension bushes.
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Well, it did only need one rear suspension bush, but we were very surprised about the oil seal. Of course other than that, the car has been OK. But then our old 97 P Micra with 50,000 miles on it needed no mechanical work in the couple of years that we had it, and it hadn't been serviced for 20,000 miles. It did need an engine tune up though, we got an extra 4 - 5 mpg after that! :)
So all in all, extra maintence apart from servicing cost us £41. In the whole time we had the Micra. :)
I was just illustrating to Andy22 that while BMWs are very reliable, they aren't the holy grail of reliability and are very well rivalled by a modern Ford, let alone a Japanese car..
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Andy - at least whatever car you get has to be more reliable than your Pug! ;)
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£10K will get you a stunning Omega! Might not have the image but will be wonderful drive!
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You'd manage a decent Imprezza Turbo if you bought VERY carefully. Excellent reliability, just expensive maintenance.
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Ok then, so where can a find a car survey online like jd power survey?
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news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1470045.stm#map
Is the Which/Consumers association report reproduced by the BBC
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To find J D Power survey results:-
go to What Car website,
then News
then "more" under "Buying and Owning"
BUT be prepared for news you will NOT like -
Best family car - Skoda Octavia.
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"36k mile so-called quality car needs oil seals and suspension bushes. "
That's why I say do not buy prestige cars. The Japanese (and Ford now) have learnet that reliability is TOTAL. Frankly after my experiences with the prestige models you are paying a premium price for premium bodies and trim and frankly definitely not top quality components. (the basic engines etc are fine). Since it's the components that fail on a modern car usually, why buy substandard?
Oil seals , suspension bushes, cambelts : all those fail on 2-5 year old premium cars. On 10 year old Japanese cars do they? Most unlikely.
Well built cars should last 100,000 miles before any failure of these parts .
And the service backup in terms of the quality of work done is poor (forget the swish showrooms, reception, courtesy cars etc) I had bits fall and break on Mercedes, oil seals and trim fail on BMWs and a long list of failures on an Audi . Fords? Zero.
JD Power rate the Japanese No 1,2,3 etc and Ford highly.
(I drove an Audi A2 on a test drive: could not engage 5th gear until it had driven 10 miles and that was a courtesy car! What message did that give to users? )
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Would a 2 year old Seat Leon (Cupra if you want higher performance or TDi SE if you want a mix of performance and economy/reliability) be available for £10k? Or a Toledo V6?
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Or how about (the Vectra based) Saab 9-3 or 9-5. Buy it cheap and then take it to Abbot Racing to get it tarted up.
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i wounldn't want a seat badge, and probably not saab, sorry its just personal taste.
im thinking japanese but still a bit of a pose, maybe even reducing the size of the car down to a honda civic type R, hatch backs aren't as small as they used to be.
Also i'm interested in safety, ie a big car being safer. Where can i find crash test results of ALL cars?
that would be brilliant, i'm starting to even it down now.
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>>and probably not saab<<
I ran a Saab 9-5 recently for a couple of months, bought pretty much on impulse. I usually go German but I was really impressed, I'll probably have another. 99T/90k but everything looked and drove like it had just been run in. I would go for the 2.3T auto. Also was the safest Euro car until the new Laguna came out.
Another thing, use any logic you like to justify the car you want, but whatever you get I reckon you'll keep it for 3 years maximum. It's just the way it is...
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I should have said also look at HJ's FAQ14
www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/faq.htm?id=28
I think HJ has said on a number of occasions that answers to most questions are usually found by checking his FAQs first.
www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/index.htm
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First, just a word of warning regarding BMW, Merc or other "poser" cars - in addition to the usual costs of ownership, you have to allow for yobs who will take every opportunity to target the car to damage it or even to steal it.
1. For good priced bargains, and guide to how much you should pay, check out "greattradecentre.co.uk" for stock and prices - see link in HJ's FAQ4.
2. For information such as car reliability surveys and crash test data, you can do the following -
a. first do a search on this site using the search field at the top
b. use a search engine such as " google.co.uk " or
" www.teoma.com/ " and type in
car reliability survey results
OR
European NCAP safety tests
and you will get all the information you could want.
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ok, i'm going to look about on the net, some final thoughts from people of what they would buy with 10K for trouble free motoring but i nice looking car that you can't help but keep looking at cos it looks so nice?
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Have you thought about a Rover 75?
Styling wise, they're a love them or loathe them car though - very dependent on personal taste.
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i like the rover 75 but reliabilty is unknown as far as i know.
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I've heard no bad reports, or seen any threads on this site about Rover 75 problems; I know they only came out in 1999, but the Citroen C5 only came out in 2001 and gets plenty of gripes on this forum!
The insurance is a bonus - group 8...I've thought long & hard about a 1995or6 BMW 525tds, but am put off by the jump in insurance from my group 7 Mondeo to a group 15 Beamer.
Parkers online guide is also worth a look if you want to compare reliability.
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I've heard that the 75 is the best car that Rover ever made, I know that doesn't say much but it is supposed to be fairly reliable.
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Yes, the 75 is definitely the best BMW that Rover ever made! ;-)
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I have seen 2 with burned front ends, on motorway hard shoulders. Not comprehensive knowledge, I admit!
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How about a Toyota Camry (badged as a lexus in some parts) or a mitsubishi Galant both packed to the hilt with goodies,bullet proof build not a yobo target.
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i understand the toyota reliability thing, but i just couldn't be proud of it, not something i can pose in.
The misubishi i do like, like i've said the evo 6.
i have to be honest i'm being pursuaded by japan and i love the civic type R, not too sure about the gear stick situated where it is, any owners can comment on this?
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i understand the toyota reliability thing, but i just couldn't be proud of it, not something i can pose in.
This is precisely why Toyota made "Lexus" a separate brand name. The Lexus IX200 is worth a look. In the USA, the Lexus brand has more kudos than a Merc or BMW. It is tending to go that way here too, because, as someone has already said, BMWs are now too common. We have the excellent 5 series E39 Sports as our main car for long distance driving, but will look at the Lexus in preference to the 3 series for town driving as our 2nd car replacement.
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Andy22,
Sorry if this is rude but having followed this thread, it seems like you actually rate posing and speed over reliability. So far you have mentioned the Evo6 and Type-R. For your budget, you won't be able to get either because they are not that cheap yet and if you found a £9K Scooby then it will be leggy and will cost you a lot of money when bits start falling off. Hence failing to meet your original reliability criteria.
Considering your budget I think you've set yourself an impossible target. If you want bombproof reliabity at £9K-10K this tends to lead to modern Japanese cars and maybe Fords. Yet you say these cars don't meet your pose requirements. Older flasher performance motors meet your Max-Power posing needs, yet due to their age and higher stressed engine are going to suffer failures.
You either need more money or more realistic aims.
CavV6 and cavWeb fan.
www.cavweb.co.uk
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yeah i do see what your saying. i'm able to go to 11k so i'm flexible.
with due respect though the car i'm going to own for the next 5 years must be exactly what i want and i must be 100% happy with it, as i'm sure you can understand.
its simple though, i want flawless reliability, but a car that looks good with a good repuation and not common, so only i know what that is so its just a matter of cutting it down to that.
i must admit i do like the look of the lexus and i've also noticed the top position the the 'what car' survey.
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>>i want flawless reliability, but a car that looks good with a good repuation and not common, so only i know what that is so its just a matter of cutting it down to that.<<
Well why didn't you say?!? What you need is a Mistubishi Galant VR4. Also known as Legnum on import. 280bhp 4WD, check out the car-by-car breakdown. You won't get the age/mileage you want for your budget but shouldn't be too far off. I have the 2.5V6, very good car, great value with every extra on it so I wouldn't doubt that the VR4 is good fun/money.
PB.
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"its simple though, i want flawless reliability, but a car that looks good with a good repuation and not common"
Interesting.
I do not think such a animal exists at £20K, let alone £10k.
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I have just bought a rover 75 conn diesel auto just clocked up
1000 miles this is one of the most comfortable cars that i have been in the comfort is 100% it just purr's along giving appox 40 to the gallon mixed local and motorway and can expect it to get better i changed for a volvo 740 that is also very comfortable take a ride in a 75 good hunting motel
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"..you have to allow for yobs who will take every opportunity to target the car to damage it or even to steal it."
Another good reason for buying the Skoda! Why do badges matter so much?
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