I have a Standard Saxo 1.1 T reg.
I have been having problems with my brakes. I have taken it to two garages and they don't seem to have the answer... When i push down on the brake pedal there is no tension yet they are also not spongy. I've had brand new discs and pads fitted to see if this helped... It did'nt then i took it for a brake check and they bled the brakes and stripped down my wheels and brakes, they thought i had a seized calliper.. they oiled and cleaned them up.. The brakes felt better only for 2/3 days after, now they seem to be back were they started. Has any one got some advice for me?
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Edited by Pugugly on 18/04/2008 at 15:27
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Bec
What are you meaning by "tension?" Too hard or too soft?
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To soft as if there is nothing there. When i break sharply as if i need to do an emergency stop my brake pedal nearly touches the floor but the car does stop.
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Was in a Corsa Type B recently with the same. A leaking rear wheel cylinder had dropped the brake fluid level so that air got into the system. Bleeding and topping up sorted temporarily until a replacement cylinder was fitted.
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are you losing brake fluid at all?
chris
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New brakes will take time to bed in like 500mls.
At first they may seem poor but will get better, if two garages had looked at it there can't be much wrong.
Exessive pedal travel can be rear shoes need adjusting up better.
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Th rear brake shoes are notorious for losing their linings and the rear wheel cylinders for leaking.
Have the rear breakes been checked?
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I had my discs n pads done about 8/9 weeks ago but have not noticed any change. Yes the back brakes have been checked. The back cylinders have also been mentioned by one of the garages as maybe one of the causes.
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Bec,
If the garage has told you there is a problem with a rear cylinder why not replace it then?
They leak/seize and eventually get worse if all the fluid comes out, no stoping!
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The garage said it could be a problem but they don't know for sure, they said even if i had new cylinders it may not make a difference.... so i dont want to pay for something that might not work. Sp they are unsure were the problem lays.
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No not losing brake fluid? i have also noticed that on the drivers brake disc is slightly rusted, so the pad is not covering the whole disc when braking... What do you think is the best thing i should do?
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The rear brake adjusters are a known weak point on these systems. Does the handbrake work OK? If you pull the handbrake up say 4 or 5 clicks, does this improve the feel of the brake pedal?
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Yes the hand brake works fine, There is some difference to the brake pedel when the hand brake is on.
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This must be a poor garage that can't find whats wrong on a basic braking system!
Why not try another garage was this a fast fit firm you have tried?
There is plenty of things that "could" be wrong but you need to know before they may fail completley.
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The garages that i went to are both well known, the second garage helped me alot more that the first but was still unsure wot the problem was. I am trying to book my car into a Citreon garage as they have specialist so fingers crossed thay can help me find the problem. Thank you for you suggestions and comments.
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Keep us posted as I have a similar problem, everything has been changed ie pads shoes wheel cylinders.
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I have booked my car into a different garage to have a brake check... i will keep you posted about what happens. Have you got the same problem on the same car?
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Yes though year is P, I am in the process of changing the front brake discs as they are quite worn so I should know tomorrow if they make any difference.
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Brake discs changed and brake pedal now up to correct pedal height
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>>I have booked my car into a different garage to have a brake check... i will keep
>>you posted about what happens.
Are you sure that there is actually a problem with the brakes. The reason I say this is that in my experience early Citroen Saxos were notorious for having very little 'feel' with the brake pedal compared to other cars. They had a long stroke on the pedal travel and often did seem vague, although they always perfomed okay when applied fully. It may not be a problem that you are chasing, more a characteristic of the car.
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Hi, sorry i have'nt replyed sooner. So are your brakes ok now??
I have just got my car back from having another brake check at a well known garage, they are telling me that the brakes on my car are shocking!!! I am getting confused as i have asked a few people (not in the car trade) to have a look at the brakes on my car and they have said they seem to be OK for the car and it's age????
The garage still do not know what the problem is but gave me a few things that it could be.
-Water in my brake fluid, i had this checked out and there seems to be non in there.
- Dics and pads not fitted correctly, but surely they would notice this straight away????
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Your getting passed from pillar to post!
It's time to bight the bullet and take it to the dealer's that way they will tell you if there is a genuine problem?
Far too many people have looked at it with different opinions.
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Yeah i have found my nearest citroen garage, i just have to book it in at the weekend.
I'll keep all posted on what's going on.
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Yeah just failed today on back brakes poor but i've fitted new fluid bled it over 8 times fitted new cylinders new pads, still have excessive travel on pedal, its down to any of three things, 1-the engine assist brake booster is faulty/non functional 2-the drum/disc is too worn therefore making it have no effect until pedal is partially pushed 3-the adjusters in the rear drum pads are set in too much, that's where i'm starting 2moro so hope this helps i'll let you know which it turns out to be, hope this helps, at least ther's someone else with this problem, says something about these old cars thou
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Citroen brakes........Argh!
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The brakes on this "Citroen" (106 clone) are about as Euro-standard for a small hatchback as you can get.
Check rear cylinders for seized pistons very carefully, then the toothed segments on the shoe adjusters for freedom of movement - all the pivots on the shoe webs are prone to seizure on these Bendix brakes. When you are certain all is well, slacken the handbrake adjusters, release the toothed segments and then press the brake pedal. You should hear the adjusters operate on each side and finish up with a good service brake. Finally, adjust the handbrake at the nut under the lever - not too tight otherwise the auto-adjusters on the shoes will not operate.
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cheers for the clear knowledgable advise seems you know abit about brake drums
thx
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Buy some brake hose clamps from an accessory shop ... do not use self grips they damage the hoses...
Clamp all the brake hoses front and back ...
The brake pedal should be firm with very little movement ... if there is play on the pedal or feels soft ... then you have a master cylinder fault ...
If the pedal is firm remove the clamps one at a time till you can isolate the fault to front or rear or to one wheel ...
There might be air trapped in the wheel cylinders or calipers or the load sensing valve ...
If you get someone to hold pressure on the brake pedal whilst you then open the bleed nipple do this 6 times on each wheel ... this compresses any air in the system and forces it out of the bleed nipple ...
If you bleed all the brakes this way before condemning the master cylinder as the load sensing valve (If there is one) is between the master cylinder and the rear brake hose ...
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hi again everyone, i passed MOT, i found the brake tightening screw under the boot right in fromt of the driver, it is a long bar connected to the brake servo it has a blkack plastic cover on it, i tightened that up and things got much better, hope this helps someone, funny how noone mentioned this adjustment screw before thou? took weeks to find out about and was only me being nosey found it....
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I have my MOT on Saturday... I am dreading it still having problems with brakes... hopefully they will be able to find the problem.. Chrisw2uk have you got the same car and problem??
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Hi Chris wondering if you could elaborate for me as i am having the same problem. how big is the plastic cover and do you mean bonnet when you said boot? I found a bar that comes from the servo to the front of the steering wheel under the bonnet this has two nuts at the end of it with a spring attatched to the middle.
Edited by Simonbrowny on 13/06/2008 at 11:55
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