Check this out click here
What do you think ?
They better make it !
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Now that is a nice thing.
M
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Wow! Can't wait for the diesel.
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Tom,
Same here for a diesel!
Steve how did you get that link to open without a new browser window? It opened as if part of HJs site within his framework...spooky.
David
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That's cool, Steve. I got the text but not the picture. Don'y worry about me though. The reason is probably my crap connection. But if you nicked it from another website where it's copyright you could be in trouble.
HJ
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Link worked fine for me, (surprisingy), no idea why.
Whatever it is, looks as bad as a BMW Z3M coupe -yuk!
(I have an M roadster - vrooom!)
PG
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Copyright? Interesting. Surely he was just drawing attention to the site and not claiming it as his own work. How does copyright work?
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My internet guide to trade marks, copyright, patents etc. will explain. See www.peterborough.net/business/articles/ipintro.asp
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If you don't want to plough through the copyright article that I mentioned, this is the important bit, which appears under the heading of Copyright Infringement ...>
"It is vital that if you want to reproduce all or part of a drawing, or any other artistic work, and you are not absolutely sure that you have the right to do so, you must determine the source and obtain written permission before copying."
In other words, reproduction without permission is infringement, whether or not you are claiming it as your own.
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David,
That's very interesting. I see that the photos shown on Steve's site have been copied and placed on the freeserve server (I assume this isn't the Alfa server).
Would an infringement occur if a link was placed to the Alfa site - so rather than having the pictures on the freeserve server, the page loaded them from the Alfa site, although they would still appear in a page on the freeserve server. If you see what I mean.
The pictures aren't therefore copied, and the expression is nothing more than a pointer to the Alfa site; Alfa will provide the picture.
I ask only because it's often useful to post links here in the backroom, and it would be a useful clarification.
Cheers,
Lee.
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Lee, yours is a very valid question that is not easy or quick to answer. It might help if I self-quote again, from the Intellectual Property Guide under the heading of Copyright in Computer Programs:
"It should be noted that, under UK law, copyright material sent over the internet or stored on web servers will generally be protected in the same way as material transmitted via other media."
The nearest 'other media' analogy I can think of is where we might want to reproduce someone else's engineering drawing onto the page of a book and were prepared to include the original border, title and claim-to-copyright notice which were part of that drawing. It would be clear from this that we were making no claim to the drawing ourselves but were simply transferring it to another point of reference. However, infringement would have occurred if we hadn't got permission to copy or adapt.
Returning to the web-page, there shouldn't be any infringement of copyright by simply providing a link that leads to a page on another site but unauthorised copying of the page onto a server which others have access to (like Freeserve) would very likely be an infringement. Copying the page onto your own PC for *private study only* would not normally constitute an infringement since there are exclusions in law allowing unauthorised copying for this purpose.
I will just finish by stating that nothing in this posting is intended as formal advice and must not be taken as such!
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Hi David,
That's very interesting information, thanks for taking the time to reply. The whole area of copyright on the Internet seems to be a bit of a minefield, I guess the approach should be unless it's plainly and expressly available for free distribution, leave well alone.
Thanks again,
Lee.
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David
Ah, I should have read that before I asked the last question. Is 10% allowed, or an attributed quote?
Cheers
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Alwyn, sorry I didn't read your question until after I had replied to Lee. This copyright business is very complicated and I thought I had retired from it all!
I was formally Senior Patents Engineer for Caterpillar UK and their subsidiary Perkins Engines Company so I wasn't in day-to-day contact with IP matters other than technical, though I often needed to refer to the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1977 and so became reasonably familiar with it (and you wondered why I took early retirement !!).
There is sometimes quoted a percentage that can be copied from a book, for critical review for example, and I think this is where your 10% comes from. In normal circumstances, partial copying MAY be permissible given suitable acknowledgement but whether this is acceptable and how much might be tolerated is really between the copyright owner, yourself and, perhaps, the judiciary. It is therefore always advisable to get permission up front.
For the record, most countries have very similar copyright laws and copyright usually lasts for 70 years from the death of the originator!
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Thanks David,
How does copying an article in full to, say, a forum differ from giving the URL?
Isn't the end result just the same?
I was told that the stuff on the Internet is considered public domain. Not true, I presume
Could I copy an article and clearly state, "Written and researched by David Withers" or David Withers said, in his book "...."?
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I suppose a pink Tonka toy car might appeal to some.
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the problem with this car is that electronics monitor and control each wheel for traction control. an alfa with loads of electric gizmos, this should be interesting.
(i wonder how long it will be before it breaks down)
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That is one of the best looking GT cars I've seen in the last couple of years. I want one !
(Preferably a year old and therefore half the forecourt cost).
Kevin...
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I want a car to drive, not to look at, and 'sports cars' no longer appeal to me like they did when I was in my teens and twenties.
On the other hand, this is a truly stunning design up there with anything that Pininfarina has produced and maybe this old fogie should get one just to park outside his front window and drool over!
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The 'old fogie' is of course ME, not Kevin whose posting I accidentally latched on to!
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The link opened in the same frame because i did not specify a target. i.e opened in the same "frame" as the link.
a href="http://www.gillett500.freeserve.co.uk">click here
to make this work simply add < at the beginning and > at the end.
Dont worry HJ these Pictures were on a non-commercial site, i just created the web page using my free web space courtesy of freeserve.
Alfa Romeo are due to make statement about their future soon.Lets hope they keep away from GM and tie up with Ferrari/Maserati and build cars like this one.
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For some reason the link info did not display properly ?
I will modify the web page to show the linking process as well.
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Peter the link is OK , just a problem typing out a explaination on how it works in a post because it thinks you are typing HTML.
try this links
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Strange, isn't it, the individual reactions? Some find it quote stunning, one other says "yuk!" I'm somewhere in the middle. The front looks wrong to me and the car looks like it would be very cramped and uncomfortable. On the other hand if I rocked up in it and THe Growlette started making indecent suggestions, then maybe it would be worth it.........
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I just tried it on Her Ladyship, as expected she said give her a '66 Mustang any time.
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Trust the Italians ! - another female body part on wheels. XK120 did this all those years ago.....
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My connection is now sorted. Would like to re-congratulate Steve G for livening up The Backroom with words and pictures. Amazing looking car. I hadn't seen a pic before.
HJ
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Use links - you can point to anything you want, since even a pointer uses the normal access.
You may not be able to use material from a book wihtout permission, but you can tell someone what page the information is on and where in the library they can find the book.
As a general rule almost every site has a policy shown on that site. Follow that and you'll be alright, if it doesn't have one specified, assume it has a restrictive one.
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Excellent advice, Mark. Why couldn't I put it as lucidly as that?
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>>Why couldn't I put it as lucidly as that?
You did, just not as briefly.
Rio$pedant
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>>Why couldn't I put it as lucidly as that?
>>>You did, just not as briefly.
Comes from spending too much time with attorneys! Er ... you're not one, are you?
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Mark gives his time and advice freely on this site. Not like any attorney I've ever met!
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Just noticed that the windscreen carries on over the roof area.Interesting idea.
Not surprised this car has had different reactions from the Backroom. But like they said in the Rover 75 advert "better to provoke a reaction than none at all".
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Beautiful! - but who else feels that it will be spoiled by having to fit an off-centre front number plate?
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