I find it difficult to believe any current Subaru features, partly because of the type of cars they make now, but also because they are sold in such low numbers. In the days of Impreza turbo's maybe, but you don't see many of them on the roads these days.

I put more faith in my own experience on the roads as a survey like this. Results may differ in more highly populated areas, but in my own experience (Aberdeenshire), reckless driving is just as likely to be perpetrated by someone behind the wheel of a van as someone in a prestige German car.

Edited by badbusdriver on 11/11/2023 at 19:39

Do these stereotypes happen to wear a typical uniform type clothing, then if we happened upon a car driven by one wearing the prescribed (maybe better proscribed?) uniform we'd be doubly certain to witness an “injudicious action” at any moment and could take preventative evasive action before they had a chance to revert to type.

Is an academic a new euphemism for expert, dunno about you lot but i'm about up to the back teeth with the pontificating and modelling of experts.

Edited by gordonbennet on 12/11/2023 at 10:34

Around here (south Cheshire) I'd agree with the BMW part, but I'd say Audi is a glaring omission.

Add VW Golf GTI ... and any German car in black paint

Is there an anti-Audi claque on here?

www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/motoring/audi-or-bmw...1

In case you don't read this it contains the following words....

The figures have also revealed that BMW drivers have significantly more crashes in the UK than Audi drivers.

In fact, the Ingolstadt marque, which pioneered Quattro all-wheel-drive technology and made waves on the world rally scene, emerged as one of the least-crashed cars in Britain, with fewer than 200 accidents for every 10,000 cars on the road.

I don't think anyone's particularly anti-Audi but rather anti (stereotypical) Audi driver. It's a lazy stereotype, but those of us who spend a lot of time on motorways are only too familiar with a hire A6 approaching at approximately light speed whilst flashing its headlights.

I will take the study with a pinch of salt. Whilst I might agree with the idea of BMW driver. I have n't seen too many Porsche or Subaru on the roads.

A back ground on of the researchers.

Alan Tapp, Welsh Government adviser on 20mph

Surprised you don't see many Porsche's about - see them most days and that's in Doncaster & Wakefield so hardly the most upmarket of places.

Quite a few years ago now, I was in my early 20s, living on the borders of East London/Essex and looking at getting my first car. It was the early days of price comparison sites, so I did a few sample quotes on fictional cars to see what kind of premium I'd have to pay.

A mid spec few years old Fiesta or Corsa was about £2000, a Focus even more. A base model 106 or Saxo was a similar price too. I then tried a couple of "old man" cars, and could insure a similar in peformance Fabia or Yaris for less than half what it cost for a Fiesta.

This can only have been on "typical owner" modelling - they must have assumed if I bought a Fiesta or Saxo, I would fit a huge stereo, alloy wheels and that stupid under car neon lighting and go and do burnouts and doughnuts on Southend seafront every Saturday night, but not if I bought a "boring" car.

I bought the boring car and never did "Cruise" or make any "improvements" so yes the insurance were half right- though if I'd bought a Fiesta I'd have not done any differently.

They can add a 911 to the list.

Just had to do a short hop on the M621. Lashing it down, surface water, I'm doing about 65, not much traffic, Mr 911 appears and disappears doing 90+. I commented to family in the car that that speed in that car in the conditions probably wasn't wise.

Just as the third lane ended I notice brake lights ahead, Another huge amount of surface water, Mr 911 experiencing a brown trouser moment, hitting the central reservation, before heading towards the hard shoulder with bits of the front end everywhere.

Driver was in his 60s.