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Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - FiestaOwner

My car is now 3 years old and has covered 46000 miles, so I thought I’d give an update now that it has a few miles under its belt.

1st of all, it still drives very well. Really has a good powerful engine and nice gear change. Clutch has a nice action. A very spacious car for its Super Mini class.

I paid extra to have it fitted with Michelin Cross Climate+ all season tyres (215/45 R17). They lasted for 35000 miles. Latterly these tyres started to make a droning noise (have had good year all season tyres on a previous car and they did this too). As I got good mileage out of these tyres I replaced them with an identical set of Michelins (at the moment they are silent).

I find them as good in summer as a conventional summer tyre. In snow I would have to say that my Continental TS800 winter tyres, on my 2012 Fiesta, beat them hands down. To be fair the tyres on the Fiesta were a more appropriate size for use in snow (175/65 R14).

I know there have been other threads recently about this, but I’d to replace the rear brake discs and pads about a month ago. Could see the discs were heavily grooved and there was little friction material left (on the pads). Seat dealer wanted £275. Local independent took £167 for Delphi branded pads and discs. Needless to say, I went with the independent

Checked front discs and pads myself. 6mm remaining on the pads and 0.7mm remaining on the discs. They’re fine for a good while yet.

Passed its first MOT with no advisories, and so it should, with having a full dealer service history.

I have criticised this car before for this, but the lack of an interior light above the rear seats is a huge omission. No light gets through to the back from the front interior lights. The front has a fancy interior light unit with two map reading spot lights. I wish they’d put a single bulb in the front and another in the back.

The car only has one poor reversing light, which isn’t much good for seeing with when reversing in the dark.

When the car had its MOT, I had a 22 plate TSI Ibiza FR Sport as a courtesy car. Interestingly it had reverted to (strange looking) rear brake drums rather than discs. Wonder if the rear discs had been causing too many problems? Link to the drum type: https://www.autopartspro.co.uk/abs-16439406

Sorry for the long post. Just wanted to give an update, now that my car is 3 years old and has done some mileage. A review when the car is brand new doesn’t tell you anything about long term ownership.

Edited by FiestaOwner on 10/11/2022 at 14:31

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - John F

Sorry for the long post. ..

Don't be. Just the sort of real world reporting many of us like to read, especially on above average annual mileage cars.

Surprised the rear pads and discs seem to be wearing more than the front ones?

Oil changes? - and have you measured oil consumption?

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - skidpan

Surprised the rear pads and discs seem to be wearing more than the front ones?

Our mechanically identical Skoda Fabia 1.0 TSI (Skoda actually quote them as 110 PS) is now just 4 1/2 years old but has done less miles than yours, about 1/2 to be honest. Looked at the rear brakes after reading your pots, disks look fine and without removing the wheels the pads look hardly worn, certainly not worn more than the fronts.

The cars will use identical components out of the VAG parts bin, are you sure that your rear brakes aren't binding, check to see how warm they are after a run. But its possible any past issue was sorted with the new disks and pads.

Have done over 100,000 miles in 2 VAG cars in the past and whilst both had rear pads near the 70,000 mile mark neither ever needed disks.

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - FiestaOwner

Surprised the rear pads and discs seem to be wearing more than the front ones?

Our mechanically identical Skoda Fabia 1.0 TSI (Skoda actually quote them as 110 PS) is now just 4 1/2 years old but has done less miles than yours, about 1/2 to be honest. Looked at the rear brakes after reading your pots, disks look fine and without removing the wheels the pads look hardly worn, certainly not worn more than the fronts.

The cars will use identical components out of the VAG parts bin, are you sure that your rear brakes aren't binding, check to see how warm they are after a run. But its possible any past issue was sorted with the new disks and pads.

Have done over 100,000 miles in 2 VAG cars in the past and whilst both had rear pads near the 70,000 mile mark neither ever needed disks.

Hi Skidpan

Some of the Ibiza's get quoted as 110 PS too. Don't believe for a second that the difference, if there is any, is noticeable.

Don't think there had been any binding. If they had been binding I'm sure they would have heated up and seized (or at least given a strong burning smell) on my 27 mile commute on the open road.

Looks like I'll need front discs and pads at the same time too. The front discs are over half way worn just now.

Incidentally, I don't think the Fabia had the lighting problems I spoke about. The reasons I went for the Ibiza (and not the Fabia) were: I wanted LED headlights (standard on the Ibiza FR) as the headlights on my previous car were diabolical, I preferred my local SEAT dealer to the nearest Skoda ones. The Fabia did certainly appeal and I would consider one when I next change.

This is my 2nd VAG vehicle and I quite like them.

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - FiestaOwner

Sorry for the long post. ..

Don't be. Just the sort of real world reporting many of us like to read, especially on above average annual mileage cars.

Surprised the rear pads and discs seem to be wearing more than the front ones?

Oil changes? - and have you measured oil consumption?

Hi John

Yes, I was surprised too,

The oil has been changed every 10,000 miles. About 9000 miles after the oil change the level is about 3/4 full. At this point I top it up. The car's currently done 6000 miles since the last oil change and the level is still at the maximum.

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - Xileno

A very useful review, thanks. Far greater interest to most than reading journalists waffling on about soft-touch plastics. I suspect the switch to drum brakes is nothing more than a financial decision.

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - FiestaOwner

A very useful review, thanks. Far greater interest to most than reading journalists waffling on about soft-touch plastics. I suspect the switch to drum brakes is nothing more than a financial decision.

Hi Xileno

Thanks, you're welcome. The journalists seem to focus on trivial, or non existent, issues. I've seen them complain about a poor heating/ demister system on the Ibiza's, I have no issues with mine.

On the 2012 Fiesta they complained about the rear seats being cramped. I felt mine was fine, for the size of car.

You're probably correct about the switch to drum brakes.

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - John F

Oil changes? - and have you measured oil consumption?

The oil has been changed every 10,000 miles. About 9000 miles after the oil change the level is about 3/4 full. At this point I top it up. The car's currently done 6000 miles since the last oil change ........

I guess many do this. But why? Why waste good oil? When it's due for its next oil change it might well be half way between max and min, perfectly adequate for effective lubrication.

I have only ever added new oil if it reached the minimum mark, and then only 500mls. Our engines have always (with the exception of my TR7) lasted well into the six figures - 242,000 miles in the school run/French holidays Passat was the most.

Also, especially in wintertime, the less oil there is to heat up, the quicker the engine and its oil reaches optimum operating temperature.

Also, when an engine gets older and burns more oil, it'll be at or near the minimum mark when the 10k mile oil change becomes due, so easier to drain, collect (I use an old 5l oil can with one of its faces cut out) and dispose.

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - FiestaOwner

Oil changes? - and have you measured oil consumption?

The oil has been changed every 10,000 miles. About 9000 miles after the oil change the level is about 3/4 full. At this point I top it up. The car's currently done 6000 miles since the last oil change ........

I guess many do this. But why? Why waste good oil? When it's due for its next oil change it might well be half way between max and min, perfectly adequate for effective lubrication.

I have only ever added new oil if it reached the minimum mark, and then only 500mls. Our engines have always (with the exception of my TR7) lasted well into the six figures - 242,000 miles in the school run/French holidays Passat was the most.

Also, especially in wintertime, the less oil there is to heat up, the quicker the engine and its oil reaches optimum operating temperature.

Also, when an engine gets older and burns more oil, it'll be at or near the minimum mark when the 10k mile oil change becomes due, so easier to drain, collect (I use an old 5l oil can with one of its faces cut out) and dispose.

I like to keep the oil at the top end of the dipstick. Always have done. Always will. Gives you a bit more leeway, if usage unexpectedly rises. My 1 Litre top up bottle will probably last more than 5 years (75,000 miles).

I find modern petrol engines heat up quite quickly anyway.

I get where you're coming from, but I prefer to do it my way.

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - Andrew-T

<< Also, ... the less oil there is to heat up, the quicker the engine and its oil reaches optimum operating temperature. >>

John, I doubt that you could show this by scientific experiment. However you should be able to show that a full sump of oil takes longer to get warm ? The quantity of oil actually circulating and being heated in the block is relatively small - compared with the coolant, which is there to remove all that waste heat. That is what determines how fast the engine warms up.

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - Big John

I paid extra to have it fitted with Michelin Cross Climate+ all season tyres (215/45 R17). They lasted for 35000 miles. Latterly these tyres started to make a droning noise (have had good year all season tyres on a previous car and they did this too). As I got good mileage out of these tyres I replaced them with an identical set of Michelins (at the moment they are silent).

I find them as good in summer as a conventional summer tyre. In snow I would have to say that my Continental TS800 winter tyres, on my 2012 Fiesta, beat them hands down. To be fair the tyres on the Fiesta were a more appropriate size for use in snow (175/65 R14).

Interesting re droning noise on the Crossclimates - I've recently changed the Crossclimates on my Superb for a full set of Crossclimate 2s and what I thought was a very slight touch of bearing noise vanished. Amazingly quiet now.

I've stuck to the same (for now) as they have been great and lasted 36k miles but I've also changed the tyres on mrs BJ's Panda for a set of Goodyear Vector gen 2 all season's as the exact size/spec wasn't available in the Crossclimates. Thus far I'm impressed although I've not tried in dodgy weather yet but one thing I've noticed in comparison - The Vectors came with 9mm tread, the Crossclimates 7mm.

I'm a fan of the tsi engine I have the previous gen 1.4tsi in my Superb and my son has the 1.2 EA211 in his 2016 Octavia. I generally average mid 40's mpg with 50mpg possible on a run - not bad for a big barge.

Edited by Big John on 10/11/2022 at 23:26

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - FiestaOwner

Interesting re droning noise on the Crossclimates - I've recently changed the Crossclimates on my Superb for a full set of Crossclimate 2s and what I thought was a very slight touch of bearing noise vanished. Amazingly quiet now.

I've stuck to the same (for now) as they have been great and lasted 36k miles but I've also changed the tyres on mrs BJ's Panda for a set of Goodyear Vector gen 2 all season's as the exact size/spec wasn't available in the Crossclimates. Thus far I'm impressed although I've not tried in dodgy weather yet but one thing I've noticed in comparison - The Vectors came with 9mm tread, the Crossclimates 7mm.

I'm a fan of the tsi engine I have the previous gen 1.4tsi in my Superb and my son has the 1.2 EA211 in his 2016 Octavia. I generally average mid 40's mpg with 50mpg possible on a run - not bad for a big barge.

Hi John

The droning noise on mine (laterally) was very noticeable, it definitely sounded like the wheel bearings were shot.

Had a Hyundai i20 which I fitted Goodyear Vectors to (can't remember what generation they were). Think the Vectors would have been better in snow. Only had the car for 7000 miles, but they did show significant wear in this time.

Certainly am most impressed with the 1.0 TSI. I average over 50mpg with mine. Once you go over 60mph the mpg drops off. If you drive at 70 it drops off quite noticeably. Optimum mpg must be achieved around 45 to 50 mph, but in the real world you have to drive faster (when you can).

Edited by FiestaOwner on 11/11/2022 at 05:41

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - Big John

Certainly am most impressed with the 1.0 TSI. I average over 50mpg with mine. Once you go over 60mph the mpg drops off. If you drive at 70 it drops off quite noticeably. Optimum mpg must be achieved around 45 to 50 mph, but in the real world you have to drive faster (when you can).

Is the Ibiza 6 speed? - the optimum mpg with my Superb tsi seems to be around 60mph @ 2000 rpm in sixth gear but tails off a little bit at 70mph. I've managed 53mpg Cheltenham to Yorkshire.

All strange when I consider cars of the past - my dad had a mkIV Zodiac mkIV 3.0 v6 and I can't remember it breaking 20mpg. Even his previous mkII Cortina 1.3 pre crossflow was only mid 20's mpg. Saying that I had a Morris Minor 948cc for a while that I drove surprising distances that was amazingly economical for its day, I suspect my favourite SU carb had something to do with that.

Edited by Big John on 11/11/2022 at 23:42

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - FiestaOwner

Is the Ibiza 6 speed? - the optimum mpg with my Superb tsi seems to be around 60mph @ 2000 rpm in sixth gear but tails off a little bit at 70mph. I've managed 53mpg Cheltenham to Yorkshire.

All strange when I consider cars of the past - my dad had a mkIV Zodiac mkIV 3.0 v6 and I can't remember it breaking 20mpg. Even his previous mkII Cortina 1.3 pre crossflow was only mid 20's mpg. Saying that I had a Morris Minor 948cc for a while that I drove surprising distances that was amazingly economical for its day, I suspect my favourite SU carb had something to do with that.

Yes, the 115PS Ibiza is 6 speed. The 95PS is 5 speed. The 5 speed is quoted as having marginally better MPG. In the real world, I doubt it does.

My recent cars have all been in the super-mini class (with small petrol engines and MPG read outs). I've noticed with all of them, while driving up the A9, that there is a noticeable increase in MPG when you get stuck in a queue of traffic (behind an HGV). I do leave a big gap between myself and the vehicle in front, so I don't think it's a slipstream effect.

Yes, it's easy to forget how the MPG really has improved in the last 4 or 5 decades.

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - RT

Is the Ibiza 6 speed? - the optimum mpg with my Superb tsi seems to be around 60mph @ 2000 rpm in sixth gear but tails off a little bit at 70mph. I've managed 53mpg Cheltenham to Yorkshire.

All strange when I consider cars of the past - my dad had a mkIV Zodiac mkIV 3.0 v6 and I can't remember it breaking 20mpg. Even his previous mkII Cortina 1.3 pre crossflow was only mid 20's mpg. Saying that I had a Morris Minor 948cc for a while that I drove surprising distances that was amazingly economical for its day, I suspect my favourite SU carb had something to do with that.

Yes, the 115PS Ibiza is 6 speed. The 95PS is 5 speed. The 5 speed is quoted as having marginally better MPG. In the real world, I doubt it does.

My recent cars have all been in the super-mini class (with small petrol engines and MPG read outs). I've noticed with all of them, while driving up the A9, that there is a noticeable increase in MPG when you get stuck in a queue of traffic (behind an HGV). I do leave a big gap between myself and the vehicle in front, so I don't think it's a slipstream effect.

Yes, it's easy to forget how the MPG really has improved in the last 4 or 5 decades.

My mpg hasn't increased over my 50 years of motoring - it's stuck resolutely at about 31 mpg - mind you my cars have gradually increased from a 800 kg Ford Escort 1.1 to a 2300 kg VW Touareg 3.0

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - John F

- my dad had a mkIV Zodiac mkIV 3.0 v6 and I can't remember it breaking 20mpg.

Yes, it's easy to forget how the MPG really has improved in the last 4 or 5 decades.

Nearly 50yrs ago I had an old Jaguar XJ6 4.2 I6 - around 200hp driving the rear wheels. IIRC that was about 20mpg. I now have a similar type and weight of car (large sports saloon) A8 W12 .....effectively one 200hp 3.0 V6 driving the rear wheels and another 200hp 3.0 V6 driving the front wheels. Also around 20mpg.

Of course, the big money saving differences are reliability and durability. At 75,000 miles and 10yrs old the lovely Jag was a soon to be scrapped rot box, drank oil, and I'd had the head off a couple of times to try and cure a failed CHG. (Working on simple old engines was easy in those days!) Whereas the aluminium Audi, at 73,000 miles and almost 17yrs old has no corrosion and feels as though it might have at least another 70,000 miles and many more years in it yet. (Trouble is, it'll probably take me a whole week-end to just change the plugs in about 10,000 miles time.)

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - Big John

Nearly 50yrs ago I had an old Jaguar XJ6 4.2 I6 - around 200hp driving the rear wheels. IIRC that was about 20mpg. I now have a similar type and weight of car (large sports saloon) A8 W12 .....effectively one 200hp 3.0 V6 driving the rear wheels and another 200hp 3.0 V6 driving the front wheels. Also around 20mpg.

If I remember correctly did the XJ6 have SU carbs? Back in the day ignoring a couple of float needle issues I thought this carb was fabulous. I found cars fitted as such were way more economical compared to cars fitted with horrible downdraught single venturi carbs - such as Solex. Eg A Maxi was always way more economical compared to a Cortina of the day. I had a 1750SS Allegro(sorry!) way back when and that was reasonably economical(mid 30's+ mpg) on a run for it's day. It had an SU carb and a fifth overdrive gear. I think the Stromberg carb may also have been fitted to some Jags back then - also pretty good variable venturi setup but those rubber diaphragms were an issue. Used to carry a spare in the VX 4/90.

Edited by Big John on 12/11/2022 at 21:41

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 3 Years and 46000 miles On - madf

SU carbs.

Later XJ6s had EFI.

The SU had a starting carburettor which used to fail..We had a 1983 model which towed a big caravan at 70 mph and 16mpg..

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 4 Years and 61,000 miles On - FiestaOwner

Well, the Ibiza is now 4 years old (61,000 miles) and just passed its second MOT with no advisories.

Got the front discs and pads replaced for this MOT. Knew it wouldn't fail on them, but suspected I could get advisories for them.

Nothing else has been done, apart from the normal service items.

The Michelin Cross Climate+ tyres have started droning again (the same issue as reported in my opening post, with the previous set). To be honest, I usually drive with the radio on (quietly) and don't notice the tyre noise.

The car is running very well. Plenty of get up and go. No knocks or play evident in the steering or suspension. Would consider another car with the 1.0 TSi engine (Fabia or Polo).

Not really much else to add. When I got the car, I intended to keep it for 5 years. With the way new car prices are just now, I'll happily keep it for longer.

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 4 Years and 61,000 miles On - skidpan

Would consider another car with the 1.0 TSi engine (Fabia or Polo).

We looked at the Fabia and Polo a couple of months ago, could see no advantages for the Polo at all.

The Fabia seemed great. Better space inside and in the boot but the first issue was the price, we could get a better specced Scala for the same money and that was even bigger inside and in the boot but not so huge it would have been difficult in car parks (just a bit longer).

But the Scala and Fabia (and Polo) all had a single issue that made them unusable for Mrs Skidpan. The handbrake in the existing Fabia is in the centre of the console, in the new models its near the passenger seat (obviously set up for LHD) and Mrs Skidpan could not fully apply it.

So we had to walk away, ordered a Yaris (electric handbrake).

If you go to view any of the current Fabia sized VAG cars take care to ensure the handbrake is OK for the drivers.

Seat Ibiza FR 1.0 (115) TSI - 4 Years and 61,000 miles On - FiestaOwner

Would consider another car with the 1.0 TSi engine (Fabia or Polo).

We looked at the Fabia and Polo a couple of months ago, could see no advantages for the Polo at all.

The Fabia seemed great. Better space inside and in the boot but the first issue was the price, we could get a better specced Scala for the same money and that was even bigger inside and in the boot but not so huge it would have been difficult in car parks (just a bit longer).

But the Scala and Fabia (and Polo) all had a single issue that made them unusable for Mrs Skidpan. The handbrake in the existing Fabia is in the centre of the console, in the new models its near the passenger seat (obviously set up for LHD) and Mrs Skidpan could not fully apply it.

So we had to walk away, ordered a Yaris (electric handbrake).

If you go to view any of the current Fabia sized VAG cars take care to ensure the handbrake is OK for the drivers.

Yes, the Scala does look very tempting, it's a lot of car for the money. However, I don't need an estate car. Ibiza/ Fiesta sized cars are more than big enough for my needs.

The handbrake in the Ibiza is next to the passenger seat too. I don't have any problem with it.

My dad's car has an electric handbrake. While I get on OK with it, I prefer the manual handbrake. It wouldn't be a dealbreaker issue for me, though.