I received my New XType SE Diesel on the 6th September 2003(Earlier than the launch date of 10th September)
The engine is the same as that fitted to my Ford Mondeo TDCI Zetec S.(Part Exchanged for the Jaguar) The timing cover even has a Ford Stamp on it.
The car has just Broken Down after 8 Days and 297 miles.
The fault is the same as what happens with the Mondeo TDCI and my own Mondeo TDCI.(The Mondeo was fixed with a new ICU) (Ignition Control Unit)
The Jaguar engine turns over, the glowplug light flashes but it does not start. After 3 tries it is OK
The engine has also cutout several times for no reason or will start and run for approx 10 seconds.
What astounds me is why Jaguar are using a Ford Engine/ICU combination that is know to have the above problems !!!
The car is with the dealer awaiting a repair and probably a new ICU
PS the Diesel, when running, is a lot quicker than the 2.5 V6 XType loan car I have been given.
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I am an software design engineer for the auo industry. The X-type diesel is 'new'; but it will use the same parts as the Mondeo. Although it is a known ICU problem, it costs ££££££ to fix in time for launch, each week waiting for a fix delays production. So they use the duff stuff and use the warranty system to fix it. Ford have been doing it for years-and this wa on Radio 4 not long ago.
It is economics at the end of the day.
My view is never buy the first version of a new car; allow 1 year to get the bugs out. Same applies to the new VW Golf Mk V. In my line of work we allow 3 'post-launch' vehicle updates to fix the stuff we could not address in time for launch.
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Good post there Daryld - I totally agree, the same can be said for many products - Mobile Phones and new computer operating systems to name two!
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Very true DL. Good cars that they seem to be (now things have smoothed out a bit) the C5 and C3 needed some tweaking!
Chap across the road is just about to order a new diesel Jag...I've told him to get a chipped Rover 75!
Worse thing ever I reckon is TV Freeview digiboxes....is there one that actually works properly??
M.M
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Very true DL. Good cars that they seem to be (now things have smoothed out a bit) the C5 and C3 needed some tweaking!
I agree the C5 had a few silly problems early on, but the diesel engines they use are unquestionably good and reliable. I can live with minor electrical glitches and suchlike, provided I've got an engine under the bonnet that starts first time every time and performs reliably day in day out.
I seriously considered a diesel Mondeo but the TDCI wasn't available when I bought the C5. Now I'm glad it wasn't! I might have regretted it.
Graeme
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I know this is not motoring but as regards a free view topbox I had 3 replacements for a Nokia (priced at £130) without success.
I eventually replaced it with a Grundig (£100) which has worked without a problem for 7 months. The topbox is designed to accept free updated software downloads.
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Hi,
If everyone waited for a stable release (3 'post-launch' vehicle updates) - they'd stop making the car as nobody would be buying.
It's a shame when problems that could potentially leave the vehicle occupants in a dangerous situation aren't addressed pre launch however.
Kind regards,
Cyrill666
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I know Ford`s balance sheet is seriously in the red at present to the tune of 500 million dollars per quarter, but surely this sort of practice is not going to help their cause at all. To install an engine with known faults into the X type Jaguar diesel, seems to me to be commercial suicide. !!!
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I wonder if any of you more enlightened chaps could shed some light on this diesel engine? Is this TDCI Zetec the same 2.0 Duratorq engine as fitted to my Transit? It seems to have the same spec. 1998cc twin OHC, 4 valve/cyl, turbo. I would like to know as apart from the reliability thread it strays into the chipping thread (!) In the transit it is available as 75, 85 or 100 hp. If it is the same engine in the jag its rated at 133 bhp. Is this purely achieved through chipping??
cheers
steve
ps hope i havent started a 'whats an old Polo worth debate!'
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I wonder if any of you more enlightened chaps could shed some light on this diesel engine? Is this TDCI Zetec the same 2.0 Duratorq engine as fitted to my Transit? It seems to have the same spec. 1998cc twin OHC, 4 valve/cyl, turbo. I would like to know as apart from the reliability thread it strays into the chipping thread (!) In the transit it is available as 75, 85 or 100 hp. If it is the same engine in the jag its rated at 133 bhp. Is this purely achieved through chipping?? cheers steve ps hope i havent started a 'whats an old Polo worth debate!'
Can anyone shed some light on this??
Also, is it the same engine as used in the LTI (London Taxis International) TX2??
They call that the Ford DuraTorq - 2.4l 4cyl turbo intercooled 16v direct injection blah blah....
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Hi, If everyone waited for a stable release (3 \'post-launch\' vehicle updates) - they\'d stop making the car as nobody would be buying.
Which would be a good thing IMHO.
Any manufacturer ever making a duffer would get a bad rep & go bust.
Companies such as Ford & Vauxhall would have to stop churning out such utter pink soft fluffy dice
Al.
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My view is never buy the first version of a new car; allow 1 year to get the bugs out.
In the case of the TDCI, the problem is that, we're not far off TWO years down the line. This Jag Tdci, as I understand it, is the one which is supposed to have all the previous glitches ironed out, but this thread shows that nothing has really changed.
So obviously, 1 year is no good. Perhaps the best advice is to wait till a car is about to be replaced when all faults will be sorted and the thing is selling at discount with loads of extras.
Splodgeface
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>> My view is never buy the first version of a new >> car; allow 1 year to get the bugs out. In the case of the TDCI, the problem is that, we're not far off TWO years down the line. This Jag Tdci, as I understand it, is the one which is supposed to have all the previous glitches ironed out, but this thread shows that nothing has really changed. So obviously, 1 year is no good. Perhaps the best advice is to wait till a car is about to be replaced when all faults will be sorted and the thing is selling at discount with loads of extras.
It's a TDDI for me then, when I replace my ageing Rover 600.
And despite all the Rover's other faults, the obsolescent L-series diesel has been faultless (I know I'll regret saying that...)
It's a shame that Ford still can't get the TDCI right after all this time - on paper it's as good as the French and German diesels.
Maybe they should have used the 1.9 and D5 from the Volvos?
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Nick
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In the Mondeo tdci starting problems thread, some of the issues seem to be related to the mechanical side of things, ie,faulty case hardening in the fuel pump.
Although in your case, I can't really see this with only 300 miles on the clock.
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Bit of a long-shot, but check that there hasn't been a fuel-related problem. I understand that the pump works at 27000 psi and the system is designed not to run out of fuel; it will start to mis-fire instead, alerting you to the need to re-fuel.
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Look on the bright side - at least fault diagnosis has been easy!
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Thanks, The tank is almost half full. The car was also stopping completly.
Jaguar have ordered a new ECU, which is due on Monday. Have they never heard of next day delivery !!
Another point,this being my first ever Brand New Motor, When did they stop spraying inside the engine compartment and underside of the bonnet with Metalic Paint?
This has been left White and it looks like it is lacquered.
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Am really curious about under your bonnet. I've very recently ( 12th ) taken delivery of 2.0 diesel SE in Quartz and checked under the bonnet this morning. There's obiously some sound-proofing etc, otherwise it's all the same, ie Quartz. How does your loaner look ?
Let us know how you get on with the engine problem.
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My loan car is painted under the Bonnet with non-Metalic paint.
Has anyone else got the Diesel in Platinum Metalic, and is it painted under the bonnet with Metalic ?
Thanks.
Is it a Friday Afternoon Job?
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Billybigun: Um, er, on re-reading the messages to date I'm getting a bit confused re the issue of engine compartment colour. Is your own car white with a white engine compartment ?
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Rory, My car is Metalic Silver (Platinum) but the engine compartment is White, as is the Bonnet underside. It is shiny White and looks like Undercoat that has been lacquered.
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That really does seem odd - and at odds with any car I've come across. It'd be interesting to hear what the dealer says about it. Good luck with engine probs.
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Got my Xtype Jaguar Diesel back after 9 days.
No fault codes were found in the engine computer (ECU) so the dealer checked all the connections, Plugs and sockets.
Two Diesel Experts came from the Jag factory and ran the car with all the lastest monitoring gear and no faults appeared.
I have been running the car now for a day and hoping all is OK
Apparently the dealer said this fault has occured in three different cars so Jaguar are doing a lot of investigation.
I think they need to talk to Ford as I know they have come across this problem before.
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I got my Xtype back after 8 days and ran it for a day and then it broke down on the way home from work.
I let it cool down and got home.
The Jaguar Technician came round at 7pm Thursday night.
He started looking at the connections when I noticed that a blue plug on the left end of the common rail on top of the engine was not fully plugged in.
We started the car and moved the plug and the engine stopped.
The plastic retaining clip was not holding the plug in place.
We put a cable tie round the retaining clip to stop the plug from coming out under vibration.
Tha car has now ran for 4 day without a hiccup.
I am hoping the fault is cured.
The only other problem is when I filled the car up with diesel, the pump kept stopping due to fuel back pressure (Handle Clicking). I guess I will get used to filling it after a few tries. Anyone know the secret to filling an XType fuel tank?
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OK It's not a Jaguar TSB but it mirrors your scenario. This was issued back in March.
TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN No.37/2003
Car and Light/Medium Commercial 31.03.2003
Section: 303-04E
Model: Mondeo 2001 (Engine: 2.0L DuraTorq-TDCi)
Markets: All
Subject: Engine cuts out
Summary
Should a customer express concern that the engine is cutting out, the probable cause is a failed connection of the fuel pressure sensor electrical connector. To rectify this concern, a modified fuel pressure sensor electrical connector should be installed.
Note:
To carry out the service instruction, it will be necessary to splice the new fuel pressure sensor electrical connector into the engine wiring harness.
HTH
Charles
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Don't you just love the way that Ford the the term "customer concern" to cover "serious complaint and really pink fluffy dice off-ed by our poor quality product"!!
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