My 406 has covered 73K and has suffered warped front discs almost since new. Tally to date is 7 new sets or disc skims and they are still not cured. 'Repair' lasts 4-5K before they start to go again. I'm not heavy on brakes (70K on my other car and only recently had 2nd set of discs + pads) and I don't keep the pedal down after a hot stop. Thankfully it was under 3-yr warranty for most of this work. Is this a common prob with 406s, and is it completely beyond P's ability to cure? Lovely car otherwise!
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Another case of just blindly swapping out the defective part. Something (excess heat from a dragging pad, misalignment of some other assembly?) is causing the disc to warp. That or the disc itself is a carp design or carp material!!
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Yes, seen one or two cases of brake judder on 406's
Were the discs skimmed on or off the car?
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I posted a question about this a while back. My freinds 406 has exactly the same problem and has always been fitted with Peugeot discs but every 10,000mls it needs a new set of front discs.
He still has no reason for it doing this even after asking Peugeot several times.
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Sounds like they need to be lightly skimmed ON the car to correct any [small] deviations on the disc surface.
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Sorry DL, I don't know how they were skimmed. I can see that doing them on the car would make more sense. However, the fact remains that even new discs are running out in short distances so I can only assume that they are defective in materials and/or design.
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Disc run-out should be measured after new discs have been fitted especially if there is a history of judder problems.
A small imperfection on the mounting flange can cause judder even after a comparatively short distance. In this case [as I fear is yours] blaming the brake disc is unfair.
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Hi,
This is a problem with a number of cars- not just Peugeot. The problem is with the type of pads, not the discs. Some pads today are manufactured to be 'hard wearing' but this is at the expense of the disc. Pads these days do not contain asbestos which was excellent for heat dissipation and reduced warping. My advice is to fit a new set of discs ensuring the surface the discs are fixed to is completely smooth. At the same time fit a set of pads from your local Partco- make sure they are made by Lucas. These pads are softer than others and you will not suffer from brake disc warp. If you want to go one step further, you can test the new discs for 'straightness' using a dial gauge. This will confirm if you have an underlying problem elsewhere if there shows the discs running uneven. I have known a hub bearing carrier to be warped causing this problem on a Montego.
Hope this helps...
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These are the views of Robin the Technician with 35 years in the trade. I fix, therefore I am...
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It was a problem with XW Rover 200/400 back along
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Under the circumstances I would ask your dealer to check for runout after fitting (using a dial indicator gauge).
Also, when replacing wheels, ensure that they are evenly torqued to the manfrs. recommendation using a torque wrench.
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Good point Aprillia, that operation ref the wheelnut torquing was contained in the working instructions from Rover when the problem dealt with by an on-car lathe.
Never had any problems following an on-car skim
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Thanks to all for their advice, particularly Robin. I hope Peugeot will read these and then sort out these brakes once and for all! You would think that the bills under the 3-yr warranty would make them stop and think?
In the next life I am determined to run a Peugeot workshop, as I'm sure I will never be short of custom......
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Please tell me how to get Peugeot to replace warped discs under warranty!
My 406 is 2 yrs 10 mths old and has covered 22K (only 5K with me, over past 1 yr 10 mths). Dealer found discs warped but not worn. Peugeot refuse to replace. Each time we get through to the warranty people on the phone we get a different story, eg discs are covered only for 12 months; latest version is that discs are covered only for 6 mths or 6K. Car is currently having discs skimmed at Peugeot's (reluctant) expense... pray for me!!
makh
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Makh,
The discs on mine started to go well within the first year. However, I think I'm right in saying that the warranty period for a 406 is 3 years/60K? So, you should still be able to claim. As it happens, the Pug dealership that serviced and mantained the car almost from new said that all work on the car, including parts, was guaranteed for 12 months/12K, so it could be that since mine went well within these limits each time they simply relied on this? I did have replacement discs or skimming after the main warranty had expired, ie after 3yrs/60K so this was probably how it was done. I know that my firm, (and I later on after I purchased it) did not pay for the multiple visits for replacements/skimming. On one occasion, in an attempt to cure the problem once and for all, the dealer offered to fit non-Pug discs at an additional cost of around £100 - but my firm understandably declined to agree to that!
I would have thought that all Pug garages would work to the same limits on parts warranties? They are, after all, fitting Pug parts.
As I understand it this is a recognised problem with the 406, and I'm surprised that they are unwilling to acknowledge it. For me this problem spoilt what was otherwise an excellent car. However, it's all in the past for me now - I've sold the car and replaced it with a Mondeo Est 130 Zetec, which is rather nice, although I accept that every model of car has its own problems so the fingers remain firmly crossed!
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CG,
Thanks for your reply.
The discs were skimmed but were pronounced not fit, so we had to get new ones, at our cost. [Probably preferable in the long run, but I don't fancy coughing up £100+ regularly.]
Pug warranty insists that the discs will be replaced at their cost only within first 6 mths/6K. This is not what our warranty booklet says...it's apparently in the small print of some document which is for "internal use" only and they refused to send us a copy!
Any suggestions as to how to get £100 out of Peugeot? The dealer is not interested in supporting our claim.
Thanks again,
makh
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try Small Claims Court..
madf
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Ring Trading Standards while you're in the showroom (this assumes that they agree with you, may be worth ringing them first), and then hand the phone to the manager. Worked for me after Vauxhall damaged my coolant pump during a cam belt change.
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It seems a bit odd to me that one Pug franchise would be fitting genuine (we assume) Pug parts with a warranty of 12K/12 months, and another with the same parts but only 6K/6 months. Worth checking with Pug themselves??
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I would expect any parts fitted at a dealership to carry a 12 month/12,000 mile warranty.
From memory, I think the Peugeot mileage for part warranty is considerably higher than that. 36,000 or 60,000 comes to mind, can't be sure.
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No company will offer a decent warranty on brake discs. What if a customer brakes very late all the time and constantly gets through discs. Everyone knows that pugs eat through discs but no-one seems to know exactly why and I'm pretty sure Peugeot don't really want to know either.
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