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BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - tokomak

Hi All.

So I'm in the market for a new car, I'm trading in a reasonably well looked after Kia Ceed 4 from 2015.

I'm looking at 520d, the car is lovely is fairly low miles considering it is a 2017 plate (21000miles), however am I fool for considering their warranty - 24 months for £400 and their service plan £250 for 2x service and 2x MOT.

However they don't seem to want to budge on the part ex price at 8200, have you found if they are willing to move on the sticker price at all.

Any advice would be great

Adam

Edit: This is the link if anyone would like to view. www.arnoldclark.com/used-cars/bmw/5-series/520d-se...6

Edited by tokomak on 24/05/2021 at 10:41

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - Falkirk Bairn

5 year old diesel car with 20K?

Many here would advise against it - DPF - short run problems await? etc etc

What is your mileage? - diesels are really recommended when mileage is 15k+

If that is the car you want have you looked at BMW approved + warranties tend to be pretty solid as approved used unlike many insurance warranties not backed by makers.

AC advertise 3 month warranty - that is 3 months less than Consumer acts which is 6 months.

A few people swear by AC, many more swear

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - badbusdriver

However they don't seem to want to budge on the part ex price at 8200, have you found if they are willing to move on the sticker price at all.

Any advice would be great

Couple of things, first, have you read any of the other current threads?, because this would probably have answered your question without the need for a new thread;

used-car-prices

Second, as already hinted at, a diesel car of that age with such low miles, would not be an advisable purchase. Especially being a 4 cyl BMW diesel, which isn't likely to be that reliable anyway.

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - daveyjp

Usual warning about modern diesels and low mileage.

Which crosses over with the warranty and exclusions.

Are Arnold Clark still known as "Arnold Shark" in the business?

Edited by daveyjp on 24/05/2021 at 11:01

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - _

At least buy a BMW used approved.

AC warranty if printed is poor quality toilet paper.

Walk away

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - tokomak

Thanks all.

Just checked their warranty online and yeah DPF is excluded.

As much as they car would be making 200+mile trips every 3 months or so it would still be used for journeys on average of about 20 minutes the rest of the time.

How are BMW petrol engines? The actual inside of the BMW is beautiful and it's only an SE so I would love to own one but if I need to expand my search I'm happy to.

Thanks

Adam

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - badbusdriver

How are BMW petrol engines? The actual inside of the BMW is beautiful and it's only an SE so I would love to own one but if I need to expand my search I'm happy to.

The 6 cyl petrols are supposed to be pretty reliable. 4 cyl petrols?, better than the diesels, but not brilliant in the grand scheme of things.

But I'm not a fan of BMW's myself, I think they are very overrated and i don't get the appeal.

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - pd

The engine in a 2017 520d is not the same one which had the bad reputation in the 2007-2012ish period.

I'd hope it is a bit cheaper than one from a BMW dealer. If not buy a BMW AUC one which has a much better warranty.

Edited by pd on 24/05/2021 at 12:01

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - SLO76
Too late to worry now, it’s sold. I understand the appeal of these but I’d buy only if it has a full BMW or genuine specialist service history and also if I had a good BMW specialist nearby for servicing. These engines do not have a great reputation in the long term but they’re otherwise sound big cars. The correct BMW specified oil is vital to avoid engine issue, particularly timing chain failure. I have several BMW specialists nearby and a 5 series estate was on the shortlist the last time, despite my regular criticism of the brand I do like the 5 series. We ended up with a Volvo though. I’ve a work colleague with a 2007 520d that’s done nearly 170,000 miles but it’s been a real pain in the wallet to get it there. Looks ok though but drives like a bucket of bolts while the two big mileage Toyota’s other co-workers run both drive fine.
BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - mcb100
Unless the OP is the person that has reserved it?
The car per se doesn’t worry me, my question would be if the service plan would enable the customer to take the car to an AC BMW workshop, or be serviced in a non-brand specific workshop, using non OEM parts and lubricants?
BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - tokomak

Hi.

Yeah it was me that reserved it, it's refundable and tbh it was at the other halves behest but I am more than happy to walk away. I'm kinda after an A5 sportback anyway :)

That was on my question list, what is the service history - (i think this maybe logged within the car computer) and if they use oem parts in the service they say they can do.

Thanks

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - SLO76

Hi.

Yeah it was me that reserved it, it's refundable and tbh it was at the other halves behest but I am more than happy to walk away. I'm kinda after an A5 sportback anyway :)

That was on my question list, what is the service history - (i think this maybe logged within the car computer) and if they use oem parts in the service they say they can do.

Thanks

I’d want BMW parts only and I’d want a printout of the service record of there’s no book. Don’t buy it if there’s no proof it’s ever seen spanners. Also never pay a deposit until you are 100% certain. A deposit should be a commitment to the deal to secure it and in my opinion it should never be refundable, it certainly wasn’t when I was selling. The dealer will now prep the car and has removed it from sale which stops anyone else buying it. This all costs money and shouldn’t be entered into lightly. If the car is nice and it does have a verifiable BMW history and they can do a service (if it requires one) using manufacturer parts and the correct BMW specified oil then there’s no reason why you shouldn’t stick with it. Check the terms on the warranty and make sure the claims limit is at least £10,000 or the value of the car. Many of these aftermarket policies have wholly inadequate claims limits that won’t even look at the cost of an engine or gearbox failure.
BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - mcb100
Most dealer groups will now offer an option to reserve a car, typically £99 for 5 days, no obligation.
It’s automatically refunded after the notional 5 days whether it has sold or not, the car either going back on sale or removed from the web.
Prep will start once a purchase order has been signed, with appropriate deposit.
BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - Chris M

Nice looking car. Looks like it's been sitting around for a while as one of the dash photos shows 16th October 2020.

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - pd

Nice looking car. Looks like it's been sitting around for a while as one of the dash photos shows 16th October 2020.

It was taxed up to the start of this month so someone has been using it. Wonder if they've been using it themselves.

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - tokomak

I think that date might be the date of the last call. They did say it was new in but they might have been a ploy.

As to why, the family is getting bigger. As happy as I have been with a hatchback, it doesn't cut it anymore when cruising to the lake district or to scotland tbh.

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - SLO76
Most dealer groups will now offer an option to reserve a car, typically £99 for 5 days, no obligation. It’s automatically refunded after the notional 5 days whether it has sold or not, the car either going back on sale or removed from the web. Prep will start once a purchase order has been signed, with appropriate deposit.

I don’t see the point in this. If a deposit is refundable then why bother? I wouldn’t waste anyone’s time or money, I’d only pay a deposit once I’m 100% certain I want the car.
BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - pd
Most dealer groups will now offer an option to reserve a car, typically £99 for 5 days, no obligation. It’s automatically refunded after the notional 5 days whether it has sold or not, the car either going back on sale or removed from the web. Prep will start once a purchase order has been signed, with appropriate deposit.

I don’t see the point in this. If a deposit is refundable then why bother? I wouldn’t waste anyone’s time or money, I’d only pay a deposit once I’m 100% certain I want the car.

At the moment, particularly if it is not very local, you might find it's gone before you get there. I've seen people actually bidding one another on the same car to over the asking price. It's worse than the housing market!

Most decent dealers will hold a car until you get there to view it with some sort of "reservation". Important for the purchaser if they are travelling to know there is a reasonable chance it may still be there when they get there!

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - mcb100
The reservation fee is just that, it just reserves the car with no obligation. It’s not a deposit. During lockdown it gave customers a breathing space whilst the dealership got them on a Zoom call or took more photos or video and send them to be considered.
As above, customers are happy to travel, and having a car reserved saves wasting a day chasing a car that has sold between setting off and arriving.
BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - tokomak

Hi.

As others have said it is a case of £99 "holding fee".

I've had a read through their warranty book and it has a limit of 4k per claim, everything seems to be covered by name other than the aforementioned DPF. However I do currently have a Diesel Kia which I haven't had the slightest worry (if only Kia did decent saloons - considering the Stinger)

I'll be all over the paperwork before any sale, If I do proceed I'll probably not take up the service plan. Especially as you say they need to be looked at by specialists and AC might not be upto the quality.

Thanks

Adam

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - Falkirk Bairn

AC has some BMW dealerships - try them for a BMW approved car

£4K limit is very little on a BMW repair of an engine, gearbox etc etc

Harry Fairbairn BMW is AClark owned

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - Warning

Why is there so much wear on the passenger side seat?

Even the passenger sears don't look tight....

I have a 16 year cloth car (low mileage) and everything is perfect.

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - Warning

Why do you want to change cars?

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - Miniman777

As someone with a BMW and also having owned a Mini, I would only ever buy with a manufacturer approved warranty. My experience is they are cast iron.

Had a cracked piston on the Mini after 6 weeks - new short engine fitted under warranty, bill was over £6k.

Then on the BMW, there was a differential whine, 10 months old, 8k miles. New diff fitted, at £2600. Both no cost to me.

The plus point of the BMW warranty is the limit of the indemnity is the value of the vehicle, not a paltry sum of a couple of £k.

Question to ask is why this particular 5 series isn't considered good enough for their own BMW dealership.

I'd also add that when I took out the first warranty extension after the 3 years from new was up, the BMW warranty was cheaper than an own brand alternative offered by the dealer, who is part of a very large car group with an HQ in Leicester.

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - tokomak

Thanks for the advice.

I went looking for approved used and found the following.

usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/202105082348579

Same spec as above + the warranty listed above.

I'll be un reserving the arnold clark in the morning.

Thanks

Adam

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - SLO76
Looks a better bet and a good point was made above regarding why AC didn’t believe their car was good enough to fetch more money as an approved used example at their own BMW dealership. With prestige cars it pays to find that bit extra money upfront for approved used.
BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - sammy1

The 5series is a great car with an excellent auto and if it is to be a keeper try and find one with plenty of extras which will be more desirable when you do sell. Try to find one with the variable suspension and no big wheels. Runflats are OK on these cars. Long term a petrol will be cheaper to run if you are not a high miler.

BMW 5 Series Touring - Arnold Clark - Any Advice - Miniman777

The 5series is a great car with an excellent auto and if it is to be a keeper try and find one with plenty of extras which will be more desirable when you do sell. Try to find one with the variable suspension and no big wheels. Runflats are OK on these cars. Long term a petrol will be cheaper to run if you are not a high miler.

The autobox on my X3 is a delight, relaxed and fuss free driving. I hated autos until I was loaned a 3 series when the Mini engine blew - changed my mind, especially if it's an 8 speed torque converter box.

Runflats are much Improved from examples 10 years ago - and can be worthwhile, especially if a female drives the car. Only last Friday saw a 3 touring dumped at the side of the road, rear offside tyre shredded, AND rim damaged too. Very expensive repair.

Enjoy the car - looks very nice