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BMW 330d - Disabled EGR results in signifcant DPF mileage - Lloydyboy

Hi All,

I recently had the EGR function disabled on my F31 330d purely from a reliability point of view and not for performance having seen the horror videos showing inlets and heads clogged up with black gunk. I plan on keeping the vehicle for many years and so i want it to be as reliable as possible and given its a BMW any jobs are not necessarily going to be cheap.

I am a bit of a numbers geek and use the bimmertool app coupled with a bluetooth v-link in the ODB2 port so can see everything that the ECU sees. Having had the EGR function removed from the vehicle, the amount of increased miles i get before the DPF becomes full of soot is outstanding, before the most i could get was around 300-320 miles before the soot quantity was c.26-28 grams (the point where mine tends to regen), now with the EGR disabled, i am well over 300 miles and the DPF is only at 10 grams of soot. My query is, if the EGR is designed to reduce emissions, why by removing it does my vehicle now produce significanlty less soot than with it in operation? Surely if it is producing less soot, this means less regenerations and less fuel required to actually facilitate the regeneration process? Surely this is is much better for the environment? Thoughts please!

Edited by christopher lloyd on 30/01/2020 at 11:33

BMW 330d - Disabled EGR results in signifcant DPF mileage - Brit_in_Germany

So you save yourself a bit of money but are happily breaking the law. Hopefully they will introduce mobile testing equipment and crush any cars they find which have disabled exhaust conditioning devices. I am surprised you have not drilled out the DPF while you were at it.

BMW 330d - Disabled EGR results in signifcant DPF mileage - Lloydyboy

Just because devices are fitted to vehicles you automatically believe they are for the good? Next thing you will be telling me is that car manufacturers don't lie, Hmm VW??

And yes i want reliability, i am not willing for my car to destroy itself for something that isn't necessary.

Its evident my vehicle produces less crap after the EGR delete, fact.

Not all laws are justified, there could easily be a law created on the back of car manufacturers 'made up' findings.

Laws are broken every day but im sure you do exactly 30 mph through every 30 zone.....yeah right

How much for you to come drill out my DPF? ha ha ha

BMW 330d - Disabled EGR results in signifcant DPF mileage - RichardW

Different functions... EGR is to reduce NOX, DPF is to reduce particulates. Given that EGR recycles soot containing exhaust into the inlet, and reduces the available oxygen for combustion it's not entirely surprising disabling it reduces the soot production

BMW 330d - Disabled EGR results in signifcant DPF mileage - Lloydyboy

Would you say then that maybe the net effect would be a reduction in nasties into the air given that potentially my car would undergo half the amount of regenerations? (so less fuel required and subsequent pollutants created). The car also managed 68mpg on a run to Manchester 2 weeks ago (87 miles) which is amazing for a 3 litre 6 cylinder diesel. Admitidly a large portion of the journey was 50mph through road works but impressive all the same

Edited by Lloydyboy on 30/01/2020 at 13:04

BMW 330d - Disabled EGR results in signifcant DPF mileage - RichardW

No - EGR is there to reduce NOX which passes through the DPF. A change in the regen intervals of the DPF will have minimal impact on the overall fuel used, I suspect just a few 00 ml if that for each regen.

BMW 330d - Disabled EGR results in signifcant DPF mileage - austinambassadoryreg

There is a trade off between NOX and soot emissions in a diesel.

EGR reduces combustion temperatures and hence NOX formation as this pollutant is largely temperature dependent. However lower combustion temperatures mean more soot in the exhaust which can in theory be handled by the DPF. ..

Whether this is better for the environment is debatable. DPF's don't remove superfine PM10 particles that get into your bloodstream..so having the egr deleted *might* better control this lethal pollutant as the fine soot is more effectively burnt up...

BMW 330d - Disabled EGR results in signifcant DPF mileage - edlithgow

I used to be quite surprised how many apparently fairly basic automotive questions have a "nobody knows" answer.

This one is a bit less basic, so less surprising.

NOBODY KNOWS. Please yourself.

BMW 330d - Disabled EGR results in signifcant DPF mileage - S40 Man

The EGR valve takes slightly cooled combustion gas, which is consequently richer in CO2 and less rich in Oxygen and feeds it into the inlet gasses for the next combustion cycle.

With less Oxygen there is less energy in the system CxHx +O2 = CO2 +H20

the nett effect is that there is less heat, lower temperature. At lower temperatures less NOx are formed. This is better for air quality, as these NOx are harmful to passing pedestrians, and other road users including drivers.

If you block or remove the EGR there is no recirculation of exhaust gas so you get the full 20% Oxygen. Soot is just unburnt carbon. With more Oxygen in the cylinder there is a better chance of more complete combustion.

It's a trade off soot Vs NOx. I am sure BMW and regulators thought about these things and guy the compromise right. I think your actions are pretty selfish, but hey if your car works better like that forget about the little children eh.

BMW 330d - Disabled EGR results in signifcant DPF mileage - R.Turpin

Nitrogen Oxides also produce acid rain which gets into water courses etc and also creates smog. It's a bit mean to remove the anti pollution bits put on by BMW, but if your real aim is the longevity of the engine, the EGR will not reduce engine life so you need not worry about that when you set it back up.

BMW 330d - Disabled EGR results in signifcant DPF mileage - Railroad.

Disabling the EGR will actually increase your harmful emissions as it's purpose is to reduce NOx. It's also an offence to use a vehicle on a public road which has been altered in such a way so that it no longer meets the emission requirements it was originally designed to meet. So you are breaking the law. At present the MOT test only checks for overall smoke density, not individual pollutants within that smoke. If it did your car would now fail.

More than that you will also most likely notice a drop in performance. This is because the ECM uses the Mass Air Flow sensor to verify that the EGR valve has opened when it's commanded it to. If no reduction in air flow is detected when the EGR valve opens then the ECM will take action by reducing engine power to ensure low NOx emission levels are maintained. So you aren't really solving anything.

If your EGR system is blocked up the sensible thing to do is remove the air intake and thoroughly clean it. A 50/50 mix of heavy duty Traffic Film Remover and water works well. Let the manifold soak in a bucket overnight after removing the worst.

BMW 330d - Disabled EGR results in signifcant DPF mileage - Galad

Hi All,

I recently had the EGR function disabled on my F31 330d purely from a reliability point of view and not for performance having seen the horror videos showing inlets and heads clogged up with black gunk. I plan on keeping the vehicle for many years and so i want it to be as reliable as possible and given its a BMW any jobs are not necessarily going to be cheap.

Have you informed your insurer of the modification? An eagle-eyed loss adjuster might spot it.