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Mobile speed camera - Energyman

Driving on the A14 last night at 9.30pm, eastbound just after the fixed speed camera after the A11 joins in the Cambridge/Newmarket area i spotted a speed camera van parked up in the next layby, right at the beginning and sitting away from the kerb as they do when working.

Do they work at night? is this a new tactic or my paranoia?

Mobile speed camera - daveyjp

There are no restrictions on when they operate.

Our local speed camera partnership does publish the mobile speed locations for each week and these are also published in the local paper.

Mobile speed camera - Mike H

It's something I've often pondered on, I've never seen one working at night in 40+ years of driving. It could be that it was parked but not operational, as a deterrent.

Mobile speed camera - colinh

Good luck spotting these:

imgur.com/MVoZRQG

"new Veláser, revolutionary wireless-controlled mobile radars that do not need a patrol car next door"

Mobile speed camera - 520i

The easiest way of telling would be to spot whether the blackened 'windows' in the back doors were down.

Mobile speed camera - 72 dudes

Driving on the A14 last night at 9.30pm, eastbound just after the fixed speed camera after the A11 joins in the Cambridge/Newmarket area

Know these well, it's where all the idiots brake to 60, thinking that's the speed limit on a dual carriageway, making it a dangerous spot.

Never seen a camera van there though.

Mobile speed camera - Manatee

Driving on the A14 last night at 9.30pm, eastbound just after the fixed speed camera after the A11 joins in the Cambridge/Newmarket area

Know these well, it's where all the idiots brake to 60, thinking that's the speed limit on a dual carriageway, making it a dangerous spot.

It is the speed limits for non-car-derived vans, usually the fastest vehicles on any dual carriageway.

Although there are probably many who don't know their vehicle-specific limits. There was one on my speed awareness course who actually disputed them, backing up his argument by saying he had been a van driver for 20 years and had never heard of them.

Mobile speed camera - Gibbo_Wirral

Yep, its a myth that they don't operate in the evenings - lighter ones certainly.

Mobile speed camera - Engineer Andy

Yep, its a myth that they don't operate in the evenings - lighter ones certainly.

Indeed - I passed one on the way to my parents' house, parked up at the back of a filling station at 10pm on a Friday night. It looked like they were just taking a break before going back 'on the job' to catch people doing 33mph (or whatever) in a 30 zone which also happens to be a (short) dual carriageway just off the A1 slip-off in an industrial area.

They seem (to me anyway) to go where they can 'get' the most people, not where there have been any serious accidents (none in that area ever, as far as I can recall - living in the area for 30+ years previously and from asking my parents at the time), as I thought speed cameras generally were supposed to be sited. Just another money-grabbing exercise.

Mobile speed camera - Leif

The fact that I never see them at night, on gloomy days, at dawn/dusk, never when it's snowy or icy and rarely in residential areas, and instead usually on fast roads with lots of traffic, confirms to me that the main purpose is making money and/or filling in a "how many we've nicked this week, aren't we achieving a lot" box.

Mobile speed camera - Middleman

Although there are probably many who don't know their vehicle-specific limits.

Threre are quite a few who are not aware of the general speed limits either. The most common misunderstanding I encounter is those who believe a dual carriageway in a restricted area (i.e. one with a system of lighting) has a default speed limit of 40mph.

Mobile speed camera - Engineer Andy

Although there are probably many who don't know their vehicle-specific limits.

Threre are quite a few who are not aware of the general speed limits either. The most common misunderstanding I encounter is those who believe a dual carriageway in a restricted area (i.e. one with a system of lighting) has a default speed limit of 40mph.

Going the other way, how many people do you see braking from 70 (say) to 60 or under when they come across a speed camera on a 'standard' (no lights) dual carriageway, which does have a speed limit (unless marked) of 70mph.

Where I live, the A505 from the A1 (Letchworth Gate) to the M11 (Duxford) has a BIG problem with this, and yet we see a multitude of serious and fatal accidents, most of which in the vicinty of the cameras (fixed and mobile). Some uniformed locals think its all about people 'speeding' - its not - those who do despite the cameras will still do so to the same extent if the limit is dropped to 60 or 50 at the danger points.

Its those idiots who wrongly believe the limit is 60mph as they pass the cameras and brake late/sharply and those driving too close behind that are part of the cause, as are those who have poor judgement when joining or turning across the flow out of/into small country lanes (though I have some sympathies as I'll explain), but also the poor design/layout of junctions which are I think the largest factor.

Most are effectively 'T' junctions onto 70mph roads - I've seen the same on 50mph dual carriageways and it barely improves things, as there's very little decent vision to spot traffic from either road, slip ons/offs are tiny and crossing points outright dangerous with insufficient waiting areas which mean larger vehicles especially (farm vehicles and trucks) have to turn sharply whilst trying to floor it to cross. Often, people get furstrated at having to wait for several minutes (especially at peak times) to get a gap, and often make the (sometimes fatal) mistake of crossing or pulling out onto the road when there isn't the gap to do so safeyly, especially when its dark and raining.

The fixed cameras are set too far away (as well as not having a speed sign far enough back to avoid people unnecessarily slaming on the anchors) to keep cars at whatever the limit is (or needs to be) as most just speed up again straight after, and the mobile camera 'favourite' locations again are not near enough (on the single carriageway 60 and 50mph sections) to the accident blackspots to make any meaningful difference. They are there purely (in my view) as a money-making exercise, as the high occurrance of accidents prove.

Personally speaking, if the cameras were positioned better, sometimes with average speed sections covering the dangerous junctions, and all revenue (including court cases) going towards road safety improvements in the area to the junctions etc as well as compensating/paying for rehab for victims, I'd have no problem in them being there. As it stands, they are more of a danger (as well as the revenue raiser) than a safety feature.

Mobile speed camera - diddy1234

Engineer Andy, I know the section of road you speak of.

A few dangerous road junctions that should have a round a bout in all honesty (Slip end and Odsey come to mind).

In 9 years of driving up and down this road, had numerous 'interesting' moments.

From people pulling out of side roads knowing full well where I am (expecting me to pull into a non available lane) to people not even stopping at the junction pulling out on me when I am travelling at the legal 70mph.

Then as you correctly say people driving and seeing the camera and regardless of what speed they do, drop to 50mph (it's 70mph for christ sake in a car) almost causing the driver behind to end up sitting in their rear seats).

Some drivers have no idea of the speed limits !

I have been told that those camera's are not working (council cut backs) but I wont try to find out.

Mobile speed camera - Engineer Andy

Engineer Andy, I know the section of road you speak of.

A few dangerous road junctions that should have a round a bout in all honesty (Slip end and Odsey come to mind).

In 9 years of driving up and down this road, had numerous 'interesting' moments.

From people pulling out of side roads knowing full well where I am (expecting me to pull into a non available lane) to people not even stopping at the junction pulling out on me when I am travelling at the legal 70mph.

Then as you correctly say people driving and seeing the camera and regardless of what speed they do, drop to 50mph (it's 70mph for christ sake in a car) almost causing the driver behind to end up sitting in their rear seats).

Some drivers have no idea of the speed limits !

I have been told that those camera's are not working (council cut backs) but I wont try to find out.

Yep - I'm glad its not just me! The number of times I've seen idiots, especially those overtaking me or in the outside (of the two) lane driving along at (say) 70 and then slaming on the anchors when they come up to the cameras, often just after pulling in only a few car lengths in front of me, or, in the case of those still in the outside lane, having another car up their backside. A recipe for disaster!

One elderly couple, who I wouldn't be surprised are 'known' to those regularly using this stretch of road drive their car (I think it was a BMW 5 series or similar) erratically, often at dangerously slow speeds, including in the outside lane (not overtaking anyone), then suddenly speed up to 70. They also pay no attention (whether deliberately or don't see/hear - just as bad) to other drivers who wish to pass, and I've seen on a few occasions the 'red mist' go up from other drivers who then floor it, often inappropriately.

In another incident, just after the 'newer' Baldock bypass (going East) and past the first fixed camera, a very slow-moving 4x4 pulled out in front of me and lots of other traffic (I was only doing 60, the others around 70) at the Slip End junction, proceeding to go at 30-40 mph. There could've been a multiple vehicle pile up and many fatalities. The speed cameras in the area just don't stop that sort of idocy - you would've thought that they would've been aware (it looked like a local as it appeared to be a farm vehicle [e.g. combine harvester or similar] 'escort' vehicle) of the many accidents in that area - two on the opposite carriageway in the previous few months.

All too often, its not people going too fast that causes accidents and near misses, but poor driving skills and judgement/awareness of road conditions and others around them. My first example was not to generally denigrate older people - many people of all ages drive badly on that road, and I think incleasingly think that just 'slowing' down for speed cameras absolves them from bad driving elsewhere. I think it makes the situation worse. I prefer to have averaging speed cameras along specific stretches of road where it is much safer to reduce speed, with warnings well in advance so people don't brake at the last moment.

Mobile speed camera - Miniman777
Around Leicester they work well into the night, only last week saw two at 2030 on two key roads, just a mile apart.

And seen elsewhere at night too - all laser controlled tech.
Mobile speed camera - gordonbennet

I've seen them at 6am on dark mornings on the bridge over the A45 near Brackmills Northampton albeit some time ago, the dual is 60 along that section which in all honesty is plenty fast enough given the amount of late lane changing involved there.

Now if only the cameras could sort out the bullying forceful tailgating twits all our lives would be a lot better.

Mobile speed camera - Energyman
Agree with some dubious locations, though there are some that seem to be some locations that are dangerous for the operator. A134 Thetford forest come to mind, sits on the outside of a kink in the road, a dangerous stretch of road and if someone not paying attention or distracted they are straight into it!
So as I understand fixed cameras don't differentiate between different vehicle types having different speed limits on the same road... Is that fair?
Mobile speed camera - Brit_in_Germany

Speaking of which, why do so many 40 mph dual carraigeways not have repeater signs? The number of times I have slowed to 30 just in case on roads not familiar to me because there were no signs is not insignificant.

Mobile speed camera - Smileyman

close to me there is a short stretch of dual carriageway, (A28 from St Nicholas at Wade / A299 roundabout into outskirts of Birchington) say 2 or 3 miles, rural setting with a couple of tracks leading to farms off the road, never known any accidents or anything, about a year ago suddenly the road has a new speed limit, quickly followed by occasional speed camera vans and then specs cameras, 3 posts each carriageway, one at either end and one in the middle.

Now the speed reduction ought to have been challanged (not sure how this could be done) however with specs cameras it means everyone drives at a uniformly slow speed, and the problem of drivers racing up speed and braking sharply inches before the camera lens has been eradicated. The cameras are a pain, however they do exactly what the installer intended and in a safe way too.

Edited by Smileyman on 28/03/2018 at 22:43

Mobile speed camera - Energyman
Don't have a problem with average speed cameras, until I get caught out of course!, help with traffic flow on very busy roads, though I understand the ones on A14 across top of Cambridge have been turned off, perhaps did their job too well, nobody speeding, no revenue!

Mobile speed camera - diddy1234

The A14 is too busy for anyone to speed, yet I am sure the relevant authorities will state that the average cameras have been doing their job well and no longer needed

Mobile speed camera - nick62

The A14 is too busy for anyone to speed,

Whoever built that new trunk road (in the late 80's early 90's) with only two lanes needs shooting.

Mobile speed camera - Smileyman

The A14 is too busy for anyone to speed,

Whoever built that new trunk road (in the late 80's early 90's) with only two lanes needs shooting.

Trouble is there are many road planners who fit into that cateogry ... they seem to work in a world of their own, and/or with a limited budget resulting in a short term solution.

Mobile speed camera - Engineer Andy

The A14 is too busy for anyone to speed, yet I am sure the relevant authorities will state that the average cameras have been doing their job well and no longer needed

I would agree that during the (longer and longer) rush hours, then roads like that mean that speeding is almost impossible with all those HGVs going to/coming from the coastal ports, but outside of that, especially on the section between Cambridge and Bury St. Edmunds, you definietly can (not that I have done).

I do agree that road is no longer fit for purpose - they are about 15-20 years behind in now just upgrading the M11/A14 junction at Girton to the next one at Histon. The whole road needs upgrading from two the three lanes, and modifying the junctions to get rid of those short slip roads. The A505 is just as bad, effectively downgraded one stage further with many single lane sections (dangerous [Royston to the A11] or not enough to cope with the traffic [Letchworth and Hitchin areas etc]), and yet both roads have loads of speed cameras and STILL loads of very serious (often fatal/life-changing) accidents.

I would normally say "when will councils/the government learn?" but without both getting lots of negative publicity in the media and sustained campaigns (with good ideas, not just the usual 'something must be done' rubbish which achieves nothing aside from a few headlines locallly for a week or so, as has happened in my area recently after a[nother] spate of accidents on the A505) from the public.

Local councillors were, shall we say 'very embarrassed' at a recent town meeting when all they had to say about safety concerns on the A505 was that the new (expensive) 'solar powered no entry signs' have helped a few people to not drive down the dual carriagway the wrong way, but they couldn't afford to spend any money for probably 10-20 years on remodelling the dangerous junctions. Funny how they could afford £6M on refurbing the council offices and other 'pet' schemes that are mostly worthless as well as expensive.

Mobile speed camera - Smileyman

Government could very easily shave cost off price of new HS2 railway, by reducing the top speed it would save billions and have very little impact on overall journey time for travellers - the railway is needed as the West Coast main line is close to capacity in places (like the M6?) but it does not have to compete with the rest of the world's trophy speed acheivements

This money would be freed up for spend on improvements with vital road links .. like the needs of the A14

(apologies off topic about mobile speed cameras)

Edited by Smileyman on 31/03/2018 at 15:14

Mobile speed camera - Bromptonaut

Government could very easily shave cost off price of new HS2 railway, by reducing the top speed it would save billions

Genuine question:

How would reducing top speed save billions?

Edited by Bromptonaut on 31/03/2018 at 16:06

Mobile speed camera - Smileyman

It's a good question (even if off topic!)

slowing the speed and engineering to a lower standard would make it cheaper to build ... there is more on the web but it's not immediately to hand

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/hs2/12192286/HS2-at-risk-of-derailing-at-top-speeds-report-finds.html

Mobile speed camera - galileo

Government could very easily shave cost off price of new HS2 railway, by reducing the top speed it would save billions

Genuine question:

How would reducing top speed save billions?

The higher the proposed line speed, the more stringent the specification of the track has to be (radius of curves, allowable deviation from standard of track geometry).

Higher speeds need longer braking distances so distant signalling spacing has to allow for this, signalling and control will be of a high standard (as will the actual rolling stock)

Catenary specifications for electric high speed running also may be tighter.

Level crossings will not be allowed so more cost on under/overbridges.

If there is a forum member with more detailed railway knowledge they may know points I have missed.

Mobile speed camera - galileo

Further to the original topic and remarks on teh inadequacy of the A14, I would add the transpennine stretch of the M62 to the list of grossly overloaded roads.

Closed yesterday for 6 hours after a fatality at J 22,

Delays again today due to a multicar collision involving the central barrier.

Piicture from a camera shows the vehicles involved on the hard shoulder on Scammonden Dam (a nice straight, level part).

There are chevrons on the road at this point; cars are supposed to keep at leat 2 chevrons behind the vehivcle in front.

Are any actually 2 chevrons apart in this photo? Mostly less than ONE apart.

.The roads may be be overloaded but the users are the cause of (daily) accidents. (I kid you not, there has been at least one a day on the M62 for the last few months,)

Tailgating, failures of observation, impatience and other incompetencies of drivers with the inadequacies of the roads are a recipe for collisions and the delays which are calculated to cost thousands of pounds an hour. HS2 is a useless vanity project, there must be cheaper ways to increase rail capacity. (Re-open the old Great Central route?)

Edited by galileo on 31/03/2018 at 23:01

Mobile speed camera - Smileyman

HS2 is a useless vanity project, there must be cheaper ways to increase rail capacity. (Re-open the old Great Central route?)

I disagree that HS2 is a vanity project, it is much needed and should be built (but to 185 mph not 250 mph would be fast enough)

As for the M62, the much discussed HS3 option of linking Yorkshire with Lancashre is sorely needed and now, this would reduce traffic levels on the M62 which is probably running at above it's designated capacity

Mobile speed camera - Bromptonaut

The higher the proposed line speed, the more stringent the specification of the track has to be (radius of curves, allowable deviation from standard of track geometry).

Higher speeds need longer braking distances so distant signalling spacing has to allow for this, signalling and control will be of a high standard (as will the actual rolling stock)

There's no saving in building a 19th century railway - tightening radius of curves. Reducing signalling spec isn't low hanging either - it's all computerised and spacings etc are in software. Level crossings are 19th century too; they've no place on any modern railway. Apart from obvious dangers they slow down road traffic.

Arguably some saving in reducing power draw of trains and thus de-speccing catenary. OTOH we've cut corners on catenary before and then had either live through failures or spend lots on a later upgrade.

No billions to save, just millions but with massive spends to do it properly later.

Mobile speed camera - alan1302

but it does not have to compete with the rest of the world's trophy speed acheivements

Except it won't be anywhere near the fastest

Mobile speed camera - galileo

but it does not have to compete with the rest of the world's trophy speed acheivements

Except it won't be anywhere near the fastest

Doesn't have to be, given the relatively short distances in this coiuntry. How significant is an extra 30 minutes between London and Birmingham? Many travellers will spend longer than that getting to the station.

Compare total travel times door to door for road, rail and air and a lot depends on how close you live to the railway station or airport and your actual destination.

Google maps has this useful facility, try a few journeys and you will find car times usually beat the other options, often by several hours.