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I keep eyeing up mid-90's 4.2TD Landcruisers - mss1tw

So many questions.

What are they like to drive? Both the size of the thing, and ride quality? (Although the Berlingo can 'nip' through small spaces, with every OTHER vehicle getting bigger, the size of the vehicle I'm driving soon won't make much difference.) I guess multistory car parks are a nightmare.

With undersealing I guess these would make a good 'forever' vehicle? Obviously I'm not expecting cheap to run, but reliability and robustness.

What sort of speed can they cruise at comfortably? I've read differing opinions online.

What were your insurance premiums like?

I'm in favour of spending sensible amounts of money at the upkeep of a solid vehicle, so an 'enhanced' maintenance programme would be fine with me.

Thoughts, experiences, etc. welcomed!

I keep eyeing up mid-90's 4.2TD Landcruisers - gordonbennet

Presumably you're thinking of an 80 series Amazon, yes probably the best LC ever made, very simple vehicle, live axles front and rear, full time 4WD with lockable centre and rear diff, not sure if the front diff locks as standard.

Either manual or very tough auto transmission.

Around 97/98 the 100 series (up to about 07) replaced it, much more refined vehicle but that refinement has brought with it increased complexity leading to some seriously eye watering bills...HJ's reviews give some of the problems ie early auto torque converters gave problems (should by now have been fixed) but its the air suspension that gives the most headaches and the now IRS front drive isn't as indestructible as the old live axles.

Oddly enough good 80 series are now fetching more than newer 100 series, don't get me wrong the 100 is a fantastic vehicle and is a better vehicle to drive.

I've had a 70 series, superb vehicle completely trouble free.

I now have a year 2000 90 series Colorado, 3.4 litre V6 petrol with auto box, its the natural heir to the 70 series, as in the 100 its no longer a live front axle, lockable centre and rear diffs.

LC's of these years will happily cruise at 80 all day long for you, but they are not economical at that speed obviously, once you get used to the handling you can chuck them about quite happily but tyre choice is important, in the dry any old tyre will do but in the wet all terrain tyres can be skittish, the height of the vehicle gives a false impression of the speed you are going so you can be travelling faster than you would be otherwise.

I like them a lot and always have, insurance is surprisingly cheap but then i'm getting on a bit.

80/100 series are lower than 70/90 series, you'd have to be a competent and confident driver to take an 80 up some multi storeys, however the footprint of the vehicle is probably on a par with latest Mondeo or Audi A6 barges, and arguably the steering lock is better than either , without a doubt the mirrors are in a different league but then you're used to proper mirrors on the Berlie.

Good to work on, these vehicles are designed to be fixed in the field, chassis rust can look bad but they are of heavy gauge (double skinned in places), weak point for rust is the rear live axle and on 80/100 check the bottom edge of the upper tailgate, certainly a vehicle worth investing some time and effort into good rustproofing.

What have i done to my 90 since i bought it in February...

oil change x 2 plus air filter, doddle. autobox drain refill x 3, doddle. drain and refill both axles, doddle. Strip clean front brakes, New rear discs/pads (£80 odd Mintex), doddle. Full rustproofing with Bilt Hambers finest, many hours approx £200 this is worth doing. Cambelt done at Toyota main dealer £290. aircon sprung a leak, specialist repiping @ £200 all in. no problem starting but didn't trun over fast enough for me so new Yuasa 5 year battery £60...Diesels have twin batteries on LC's. 4 new tyres @ £75 each (found age cracking on the old ones, tyres usually last around 50k on these).

I had toyed with LPG converting it, but on the 90 series (and 120 known as LC3/4/5), its not that easy unless you want the tank in the boot, i don't so probably not worth it...80/100 series are easier conversions just relocate the under boot spare...NB Japanese engines can suffer with valve seat recession, so flashlube is a must and in that context be very careful if considering a used petrol already converted, there are 32 valves in a V8!

Two Landcruiser forums out there for UK users, both easily found, well worth lots of research...couse what you really want is a 105 series, basically its what the UN and Taliban use, its a 100 series body sitting on an 80 series steel suspension and two live axles, rare as hens teeth here.

Edited by gordonbennet on 19/09/2015 at 18:17

I keep eyeing up mid-90's 4.2TD Landcruisers - NARU

I run a pair of cars as my 'forever' vehicles. One is a 120-series landcruiser.

If we ignore the early ones, Landcruisers come in two sizes. The big ones were the 80-series (4.2 diesel or 4.5 petrol), then the 100-series (4.2 diesel, 4.7 petrol) and finally the 200-series (only 4.5 v8 diesel in the UK). Toyota have only just stopped selling the 200 in the UK - you can still find new ones at about £65k.

The 'baby' landcruiser were the 90-series (also called the Colorado - 3.0 diesel or 3.4 petrol), then the 120-series (3.0 diesel or 4.0 petrol) and now the 150-series (still sold). The 'Baby' LCs are called Prado in much of the world and are especially popular in australia and the middle east.

The 80 series is arguably one of the best 4x4s ever made, but it is a bit of a lumbering beast and 20 years old now. The final ones gained 24 valves (12 was normal) and are reckoned to be rather better.

If you're in the market for one I'd talk to a specialist. I use Overland cruisers (Hereford area), but hear good things of Westcoast too.

I had overland give my 120 a thorough going over at the beginning of the year, including a dinitol treating.

I recommend www.tlocuk.co.uk's forum.

I keep eyeing up mid-90's 4.2TD Landcruisers - mss1tw

A pair of great replies, thank you very much.

I should have said I'm after a manual transmission, I dislike automatics.

Are there any particular known issues with the manual transmissions?

I forgot to ask - I guess these are timing belt, do you know the interval and if engine is interference? (Being a diesel I assume it will be)

Thanks again

I keep eyeing up mid-90's 4.2TD Landcruisers - NARU

I think so, but have never owned a 4.2 (would love to though):

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_HD_engine#/media/File...g

On my 3.0, the change interval is ten years/100,000 miles. Toyotal tend not to overstress the belts (they don't drive the waterpump or power steering, for instance).

As is typical for a car designed to work far from the beaten track, mine even has the belt routing shown on a sticker under the bonnet.

I keep eyeing up mid-90's 4.2TD Landcruisers - gordonbennet

I know the 3.0 Diesel belt is one of the easiest to change of any vehicle (probably as easy as 240 Volvo), IIRC its a one hour job at the main dealer, the 4.2 looks to be similarly designed to be maintained.

An excellent design feature on most LC's and you can clearly see in Marlot's link, there are at least two auxilliary fan belts (three on many), where the water pump is driven by two independantly, if one belt snaps your chances of continuing to a place of repair are doubled at least.

Edited by gordonbennet on 20/09/2015 at 07:42

I keep eyeing up mid-90's 4.2TD Landcruisers - NARU

I keep finding things on my Toyota which shows just how much they were built to a quality standard.

eg. When I uprated the headlight bulbs recently, I found that as well as rubber covers over the rear of the bulbs, they were also covered in a waterproof grease.

eg. I've had the satnav/radio out a few times (installing a handsfree kit, installing a reversing camera, installing an xcarlink) and it still doesn't rattle or vibrate. The fixings are much better than any other car I've owned.

I keep eyeing up mid-90's 4.2TD Landcruisers - mss1tw

Cheers! I definitely want one now.


I keep eyeing up mid-90's 4.2TD Landcruisers - gordonbennet

Most people seem to want autos, but the manuals for sale are often bought for serious towing duties, i've seen them for sale with well over 300k miles on them one owner been towing all their lives.

What you will find with LC's is that all the engines are tractable, they will pull right down to stall revs (you try and stall one, its almost impossible) without batting an eyelid...manuals have a proper low first (and reverse) gear to get you moving, none of this high first gear mated to 6 pot 2.7 engines without any guts below turbo spool up and having to slip the clutch at every junction to get them moving and then wondering why the clutch lasts 5 minutes.

I've never needed to think about putting any Toyota commercial product (van or 4x4) on a transporter, its just goes on without a murmer no matter how steep just on tickover, the same is not the case for the obvious competition, the Diesel manual versions of which cannot manage this unless you get a run up (seriously dangerous) and you need low range every time.

Be warned, these vehicles are addictive..:-)))

Next thing you'll be looking on Tradecarview and thinking about parallel importing one of the last 70 series...still sporting live axles front and rear, a steel painted dash stright from the 80's, and stiting splendidly on its rear leaf springs.

Edited by gordonbennet on 20/09/2015 at 11:11

I keep eyeing up mid-90's 4.2TD Landcruisers - Trilogy

80 series is a favourite of mine. I remember a retired HGV driver having one from new. The registration was L499 *RT. Even at 100,000 miles it was just like new, everywhere, including engine bay, underneath etc. It was fastidiously maintained. Always thought the following models have become uglier and uglier.................a shame.