Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - Flowers

Hi Folks,

I am back with another question and need your advice.

Before i get myself flameed by all based on my subject - YES i did my search to best capability and i couldnt find any answers here.. so i am here posting this question.

Thinking of buying a car but not able to decide, PETROL OR DIESEL.

I would be doing Mancehster to Preston mostly work and weekend short tripes within city and not far off, so lets say around 18K miles in a year.

My budget is less than £3k, found some passats / mazda 6 / jetta all diesel and Peug petrol...

and now I am confused.. any words of wisdom would help...

Regards,

Flowers (not my name :))

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - slkfanboy

Force to say for once i would say diesel and a ford mondeo around 2004 with less than 100K.

A few thinks to look out for like rear subframe bushes, but there are plenty of 200K example around to reasure.

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - skidpan

18,000 a year in a 3k car is recipe for big bills.

If that is your max budget I would suggest buying the best lowest mileage car that suits your needs, forget if its petrol or diesel, any savings would be lost with one big bill.

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - Gibbo_Wirral

18,000 a year in a 3k car is recipe for big bills.

Is it nuts. I've done more than that with a commute along the M56 and M62 in a Peugeot 307 and 407 diesel, both with service history, both under £2500 and neither needed anything than regular oil changes and brakes and tyres over the years.

And I'm not alone, plenty of other happy Peugeot owners on the forums can report the same.

And low mileage does not necessarily mean its been cared for. I've seen some "genuine low mileage" cars which have had the bare minimum of servicing and been absolute dogs for their new owners - especially diesel ones which have done nothing but pootling round town. Gummed up EGR valves at 30,000 miles and just out of dealer warranty.

To the OP - its a tricky one. The locations you mention do warrant a diesel, but I know personally that the route can be stop-start and crawling at times.

If you do go for a cheap diesel, try and get one without the dual mass flywheel and diesel particulate filter.

Edited by Gibbo_Wirral on 30/06/2015 at 15:44

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - Andrew-T

I've seen some "genuine low mileage" cars which have had the bare minimum of servicing and been absolute dogs for their new owners - especially diesel ones which have done nothing but pootling round town. Gummed up EGR valves at 30,000 miles and just out of dealer warranty.

A friend was telling me yesterday that his 10-year-old Toyota diesel (I think it's a RAV4) has a failing DPF which would cost £2000 to replace, which was forcing him to change the car. This had come about because he was doing hardly any long trips.

I think the dealer was 'generously' absorbing the cost in the p/x transaction. I just hope the replacement vehicle looks after itself better.

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - HandCart

>>>"18,000 a year in a 3k car is recipe for big bills."

Not necessarily...

When my circumstances changed and my annual mileage went from ~11k to >24k and I didn't know for how many years that might continue, I decided to offload my perfectly-running 160+k mile 13 year-old 2.0 petrol car to get a diesel.

As an entirely privately-funded car user, I set myself an arbitrary maximum of £5k, simply because I didn't feel like spending more than that.

In the event, I only spent just over £3k. The car was already nearly 5 years old and had done 53k miles.

In my use pattern, because I got more than 60 mpg overall, rather than just under 40 mpg, this car was saving me about £1,300 a year in fuel costs, so would have almost paid for itself after 2 years.

The car DID indeed do that annual mileage, as it turned out only for 18 months before my circumstances changed again.

But I did not suffer any big bills.

So it can be done.

I still have the car. Myself, I've done 52k miles in it so far, and have still not suffered any big bills. I don't especially like it (mainy on account of the seat comfort), and it currently has a repeated split-second cutty-out issue during its warm-up phase, but I can't bring myself to get rid of it until some truly big bill arrives, because it simply does what it needs to, in terms of transporting family and luggage at entirely adequate pace and only mild discomfort, whilst still returning close-on 60 mpg.

Maybe I was lucky, in that I believe it doesn't have a DPF. And maybe I've been further lucky, because some people curse this (Fiat) engine.

(It's a 2007 1.3 diesel Astra estate)

One thing I would say, Flowers, is if your usage really is short journeys, DON'T get a Mazda diesel.

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - Trilogy

18,000 a year in a 3k car is recipe for big bills.

If that is your max budget I would suggest buying the best lowest mileage car that suits your needs, forget if its petrol or diesel, any savings would be lost with one big bill.

Not necessarily a recipe for big bills. I bought my 2001 Focus diesel in November 2002, 138,000 miles from new, for £700. Now done 179,000 miles. Apart from servicing it has needed a heater fan and a wishbone link arm. You can get big bills on any age of car out of warranty.

Most people forget the greatest expense of most cars is depreciation. Generally, in my experience, the cheaper the car, the cheaper it is to run, especially if you go for a simple specification.

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - Trilogy

18,000 a year in a 3k car is recipe for big bills.

If that is your max budget I would suggest buying the best lowest mileage car that suits your needs, forget if its petrol or diesel, any savings would be lost with one big bill.

Not necessarily a recipe for big bills. I bought my 2001 Focus diesel in November 2002, 138,000 miles from new, for £700. Now done 179,000 miles. Apart from servicing it has needed a heater fan and a wishbone link arm. You can get big bills on any age of car out of warranty.

Most people forget the greatest expense of most cars is depreciation. Generally, in my experience, the cheaper the car, the cheaper it is to run, especially if you go for a simple specification.

Sorry, November 2012!

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - Wukl

Personally I think if your budget limit is £3,000 look to spend £2000 to £2500 on the car and put £500 aside for any calamities. My last two cars together cost £4,200, and to date they did/ have done cumatively 124,000 miles. That was at about 19k per year, so not disimilar.

As to petrol or diesel, it depends how much you want to spend per month on fuel I suppose. I don't mean that to sound as daft as it does; I'm happy to pay more per month but prefer to keep my capital costs low. But that's me! My journey is motorway and quiet rural, generally outside rush hour so perhaps my petrol car is flattered in comparison to a diesel. If my journey involved queuing perhaps the balance would swing more towards diesel. Manchester-Preston sounds pretty bad to me.

I have colleagues who have suffered diesel maladies, but I can't judge persoanlly as I've never had one. As others have said, choose carefully (less complicated and unfashionable older diesels) and you could bag a bargain that will give you no trouble outside the inevitable discs, exhauts etc you have to replace with older cars. If I were looking like you, I'd rather get something like a 2005-7 Mazda 6 1.8 petrol manual at about 65 to 75,000 miles at about £2,500.

Oh, and my last car and my current car both Japanese petrols, should you wonder!

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - Andrew-T

... you could bag a bargain that will give you no trouble outside the inevitable discs, exhauts etc you have to replace with older cars.

Exhausts may be one thing you won't need to replace on a diesel. I've never had to, but more than one on petrol cars. The soot protects the interior from moisture. Of course if there is a DPF ....

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - Wukl

... you could bag a bargain that will give you no trouble outside the inevitable discs, exhauts etc you have to replace with older cars.

Exhausts may be one thing you won't need to replace on a diesel. I've never had to, but more than one on petrol cars. The soot protects the interior from moisture. Of course if there is a DPF ....

Well I didn't know that. You learn something every day!

Strangely, for all the talk of DPFs on the HJ website, of my four work colleagues who have had problems with their diesels none has been with the DPF; their problems have been with injectors (one of them twice), the DMF, turbo (one of them twice - he must be terminally unlucky) and various sensors. Shows you I suppose that a small personal experience is probably atypical; I don't want to predjudice anyone. But research is vital isn't it?

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - Avant

As others have said, any car on a low budget is something of a gamble - that can't be helped.

I think you can reduce the risk by buying something Japanese and petrol-powered: personally I'd choose a Toyota. You haven't said what size of car you need, but all the main Japanese makers have a range of sizes.

The alternative is a Ford, simply because there are lots around to choose from. I would never actively suggest a cheap used diesel, but Fords are better than most if you must have a diesel. Peugeot diesels used to have a very good reputation, but that was mainly cars built before about 2000.

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - HandCart

But hey, Flowers - in an earlier thread you said you had a 2005 Audi A4 diesel, now with 105k on the clock, on which you'd racked-up 21k miles in the past year.

If it has been running well, why not just continue with that car for as long as you can, whilst maybe saving up some more dosh? - £3k isn't necessarily going to get you anything particularly MORE reliable, maybe for the next 50-100k miles.

Someone else on here will know - is this the PD engine? If so, I seem to recall advice to get the injectors changed at around 100k miles?

Or is it the piezo injector engine? Which have their own troubles?

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - Flowers

Yup audi a4 is what I drive, but this question was for a friend of mine.

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - Andrew-T

Peugeot diesels used to have a very good reputation, but that was mainly cars built before about 2000.

Those were the days before the techos started complicating diesels, and EU regs provoked them into trying to eliminate everything except CO2 and water from the exhaust. But Gibbo-Wirral will assure you that Pug diesels are still good ones (as long as there's no DPF). Mine still is.

Petrol or Diesel - doing 18K miles a year - Gibbo_Wirral

Although its all anecdotal, just pop onto peugeotforums.com - there's a good handful of owners of 306s, 307s, 406s and 407s with well over 150,000 miles on their cars - no sign of needing to get rid and they just pootle on. My brother's 2003 307 is on 210,000 miles.

Locally I know of taxi firms using Citroen and Peugeot diesels - if French cars are really that bad like some muppets claim, would a driver risk losing money by having their money earner off the road?

The key is gettng a car that's been looked after, and you should be OK.