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How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - stu1969

Good evening

I’ve only just joined the forum and this is my first post.

My situation has change and I am looking for a small 1.0-1.4lt car for around £700-£800 at the moment. I’m looking at Peugeot 206, Fiesta, KA and a couple of others.

Now, my question. For a competent home mechanic are the cars I’ve mentioned going to cause me many problems such as oil pump, water pump, starter motor etc.

I’m looking forward to any advice

Regards

Stuart

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - focussed

Welcome to this forum Stuart. The answer to your question is similar to the answer to the question "How long is a piece of string?"

When you buy a car for £700-£800 you are effectively playing russian roulette with your wallet.

You can strike lucky and buy a cosseted little number that has always been looked after and that will serve you for years with a little TLC, or the other side of the coin is that you can buy the world's worst money pit that has been neglected and will bite you in the wallet every week, it's that simple and I'm sure most on here will agree.

If you must buy at that money stick to something where parts are readily available new or secondhand so that means a Fiesta or a KA which is a Fiesta in fancy dress anyway.

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - craig-pd130

I suppose every model of car has its particular foibles and weak spots, but the mass-market petrol superminis you mention are all fairly robust & reliable.

All of these have simple engines without too many complicated add-ons so a reasonably savvy mechanic should be able to do most jobs if you've got access to the tools.

The original-shape Ford Ka suffered a lot with rust, if I remember correctly. Fiat Puntos have galvanised shells (certainly the Mark 1s did) so don't seem to rust much.

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - gordonbennet

Not easy to generalise, maybe compile a very short list and then peruse the make specific forums for what the score is with them.

As an example, i like Korean cars and some Hyundais can be good used buys in your budget range, Accent for example.

But some Hyundais, Coupe and Elantra definately (others would need checking) the front discs fit from behind the hub (why?), and to replace discs means the hub has to come off which almost always wrecks all 4 front wheel bearings, which need to be pressed in, this job jumps from about £80 to nigh on £300 by the time you've bought 4 bearings and had them pressed in, and thats with you doing all the donkey work....Matiz fronts are the same design but i don't know if removing the hubs wrecks the bearings.

Doesn't mean Hyundais are bad cars, far from it, the two Hyundais my son owned are the only cars that ever refused to break despite his best efforts, but if a car you are looking at needs front discs then you know to value it accordingly.

Thats just an example of why the sensible car buyer researches cars before parting with their hard earned, all cars as said above have their foibles, find out about them before buying, then you can decide on risk yourself.

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - madf

97 Toyota Yaris across UK for sale under £1000 on Autotrader so lots more ebay/Gumtree/Preloved/locally.

I diy on son's... just make sure you read the HJ review (lots of personal input) and vet carefully.

Son's has 130k on clock - looks tatty but just had its first ever replacement battery at 11.. Not broken down in service once in 4 years.

DIY easy - simple layout and lots of cheap parts and a "cough" very knowledgeable users club..http://www.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/forum/49-yaris-club/

All original apart from timing chain and radiator and front disks and exhaust. And battery of course.

Don't be afraid of mileage if well serviced.. tough things.

The Yaris forum is quiet due to lack of iissues - see French or VAG forums with long tales of woe...Japanese built cars tend to withstand abuse far better than most.

Edited by madf on 05/12/2013 at 09:47

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - artill

The Yaris forum is quiet due to lack of iissues - see French or VAG forums with long tales of woe...Japanese built cars tend to withstand abuse far better than most.

Whilst very true, the Yaris is of course French built.

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - dan86

It must have something to do with the way the Japanese manage there factors. Honda Nissan and Toyota have plants here in Britain and the quality of there cars was better than anything bl could produce.

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - madf

The Yaris forum is quiet due to lack of iissues - see French or VAG forums with long tales of woe...Japanese built cars tend to withstand abuse far better than most.

Whilst very true, the Yaris is of course French built.

The Yaris I refer to costing sub £1000 were early ones which were built in Japan..

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - skidpan

Now, my question. For a competent home mechanic are the cars I’ve mentioned going to cause me many problems such as oil pump, water pump, starter motor etc.

If your car has a problem with the oil pump it will probably be a major strip down with the engine out of the car to determine if other damage has been done.

If your car has a water pump problem it can normally be fixed with the engine in th car but there is usually some serious dismantling to carry out to get to it. Normally the cam belt, alternator, etc need removing for starters, sometime power steering and air con pumps as well.

Starters motors are easy normally just bolt on.

So if you are competent you should cope with a manual and loads of tools some of which will be specials for the model.

On a £800 car an oil pump failure would mean replacing the engine or scrapping it.

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - jc2

The Ford oil pump is external and can be replaced in minutes,as with most other components(chain cam,of course)-I've owned several and had no problem with rust-just avoid very early ones.I've also owned a Fiat Panda-yes some parts are galvanized but not the whole of the car.I offered mine to a Fiat breaker for free-he didn't even look at it-just asked me a couple of questions about it and refused it!

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - skidpan

The Ford oil pump is external and can be replaced in minutes

On older x-flow engines this was true, on modern Ford engines the replacement of the oil pump is a major strip.

Early KA's (before 2003 ish) used the Valencia engine which was a simply a slightly smaller x-flow. Later KA's used a totally different engine, no idea about the oil pump on those.

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - jc2

Yes-I should have said pre-Rocam engines(1996 to early 2003).The Fiesta would be as good as a KA!

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - Gibbo_Wirral
I echo what others have said about making sure its been well serviced. Speaking for the Pug as an owner there's no shortage of 206s out there.

Don't buy one with little or no history, as you'll only have to spend again on repairs.

For your price bracket I'd expect to find something around 2001 with 50k on the clock. Of that age it should have had the cambelt done, maybe a clutch.

If you look on peuegotforums.com there's quite an active scene of general 206 owners, sensible types who just want their car running well, not into modding or anything.

Maybe there's someone on there close to you who you can take along to cast a more experienced eye over one you see? I'm in Wirral if that's any help?

Edited by Gibbo_Wirral on 06/12/2013 at 13:35

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - madf

If you buy an early Ka, you are buying rust in:-

the wings, sills, floorpan and most importantly - the rear suspensioon mountings hidden away.

Bargepole job - even if you find a well looked after one, Ford did no rustproofing worthy of the title.

As Peugeots ? We owned a 106 for over a decade. It was 100% relibale . Then Peugeot discovered electronics... I'd run a mile.

Edited by madf on 06/12/2013 at 13:48

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - mss1tw

If you buy an early Ka, you are buying rust in:-

the wings, sills, floorpan and most importantly - the rear suspensioon mountings hidden away.

Bargepole job - even if you find a well looked after one, Ford did no rustproofing worthy of the title.

As Peugeots ? We owned a 106 for over a decade. It was 100% relibale . Then Peugeot discovered electronics... I'd run a mile.

Yup, the Ka/Fiesta platform is tough and reliable but let down by rust. if you find a good one it may be worth getting it and a big bottle of ACF50 and spraying as much of the underside as you can (You don't sound averse to DIY!) to keep the rust at bay. It will help existing corrosion too, but not convert it like some products claim to do.

I even did my Berlingo recently, there's a thread on here somewhere. Started with the steering/suspension components and then thought 'Sod it' and did the whole lot, well, as much as I could reach without too much hassle,

How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - stu1969
Thank you for the replies, I've got a lot to consider.
The main problem I encountered with a Xsara Picasso was the amount of engine crammed in a small space making access very difficult.

I will research the subject elsewhere but I will ask on here as well. Is there much room on the 206 to work?

Thanks again
Stuart
How easy for a home mechanic to look after? - madf
Thank you for the replies, I've got a lot to consider. The main problem I encountered with a Xsara Picasso was the amount of engine crammed in a small space making access very difficult. I will research the subject elsewhere but I will ask on here as well. Is there much room on the 206 to work? Thanks again Stuart

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