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Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - BenG

I'm considering ditching my 2004 Seat Leon TDI, which has been an expensive liability so far and is now worth very little due to faded paint and peeling lacquer. Quite fancy another diesel but I cover short trips much of the time with the odd 700-mile round trip.

Sooo, I'm looking for a diesel without DPF, and ideally with a chain cam drive and no DMF. Something with reasonable grunt to replace the Leon which had 150hp standard and 175 after remapping.

Is there any modern-ish diesel out there which doesn't have the DPF/DMF/cambelt hassles AND has proven to be reasonably reliable? I think HJ has said in past tests that the Honda Civic 2.2CDTI and Kia Cee'd 1.6 diesels lacked a DPF (& maybe DMF & cambelt) until fairly late reg (2009?), but are they reliable and is there anything else out there?

Cheers,

Ben

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - elekie&a/c doctor

I really can't think of any maker that produces a modern reliable diesel car.All diesel cars are now stretched to the limit of power,emisions and fuel consuption. all take their toll on reliability.Most cars built after 2006 will have a dpf system of some sorts.Even Honda have problems with diesels.Dmf ,crank pulley dampers breaking and worn timing chains on Accord,Crv and Civic are all too common.hth

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - Andrew-T

Most cars built after 2006 will have a dpf system of some sorts.

My 08-plate Pug 207 SW has the 90bhp engine without DPF. I have had it 4 years with no problem at all: replaced tyres, pads and discs once, that's all. Depends how big and modern you want your car to be.

I agree that a looked-after HDI engine is pretty bomb-proof too, in my experience, tho those damped pulleys go occasionally.

Edited by Andrew-T on 28/03/2013 at 13:55

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - thunderbird

Is there any modern-ish diesel out there which doesn't have the DPF/DMF/cambelt hassles AND has proven to be reasonably reliable?

The Kia Ceed 1.6 CRDi has no DMF, it has a chain cam and was fitted with a DPF only from the MY2011 cars that were registered from September 2010 onwards.We have had one for 2 1/2 years now and it has been 100% reliable and has a reasonable turn of speed, much better than the Focus it replaced. Ours has a DPF but in all honesty there are very few (if any) reported issues with the DPF on the 1.6 CRDi Ceed. Other Kia's have had DPF's much longer and there are very few reports of problems with them as well.

There was a 2.0 CRDi Ceed until late 2009 but they were not popular. They were very little faster than the 1.6 CRDi but used way extra diesel. They also had a DMF, a cam belt and a DPF on all the cars.

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - balleballe

The honda CDTI hasnt got a DPF, I-DTEC does though.

The Civic's are known to go through clutches though - and the occasional DMF. A lot of civic owners are fitting uprated clutches

How about the Kia Ceed? no DPF or DMF before 2010 I believe

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - Peter.N.

The most reliable engines I know of are the early Citroen/Peugeot 2.0. Hdi,s the 8 valve version up until about 2005, these engines are practiacally bomb proof given regular oil changes.

I have one in a 406 that has done 213,000 miles now and never missed a beat in the 25+k I have owen it, you often see them for sale with nearly 300k on them.

They are used in the late 306 and 406 and also the C5, the economy is very good, with my careful driving style I can get 60+mpg from both the 406 and C5, they come into the £130.00 tax class.

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - Alf_Hooker

latest Mondeo, Pug 407, C5 and Jag X type, Freelander and some others use a later version of this 2.0HDI engine.

This is not know for any particular problems as far as I know.

Latest shape Mondeo is about the best car of this type you can get. Cmax is surprisingly good with this engine too.

AVOID BMW 2.0 diesels as they have a great inherent weakness that can destroy the engine when the timing chan snaps.

Also I am coming to the conclusion that VW group TDI engines are all but trash as they have a similar achilles heel about the cambelt tensioner locating stud.

What was the story with your SEAT ?

I personally really fancy a Citroen C6 2.7 HDI - got the same engine in a Range Rover Sport now and its wonderful, but I don't need the 4x4 aspect and do a lot of motorway miles.

Edited by Alf_Hooker on 28/03/2013 at 15:35

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - BenG

Thanks everyone for the replies.

Looks like a pre-DPF Cee'd 1.6 CRDI might fit the bill, though not very excitingly, as the current-shape Mondeos are a bit big for me and I guess have DPFs.

2.0HDI would be good in a Peugeot 306 but I don't much rate their newer cars, and a 306 would be a bit long in the tooth and probably falling to bits by now.

I already made the mistake of buying an older diesel to try to avoid DPFs hassles and the car (Seat Leon Mk1) has instead cost me about £1k in fixing other faults during my 18 months ownership, which pretty much wiped out any fuel savings over the 9k miles I've covered since. The VW 1.9TDI is a rough, unpleasant engine to use as well...

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - ED731PDH

Don't buy a Nissan diesel (see thown con rod thread), my best advice.

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - Alf_Hooker

Why not forget diesel and have a look at the turbo petrols that there are.

Renault do a 1.2 TCE and a 1.4 TCE

Avoid VW 1.4TSI as these are rubbish.

Ford Ecoboost Focus 1.0 Zetec are on special offer at Lookers for 13K Brand New

This might be the way to go

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - veloster

you say you cover short trips most of the time,,,

look for a petrol car,cheaper to buy

what about a old shape hyundai i30

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - Alf_Hooker
Where I work i have a lot of what we call "copy and paste managers" here i have copied and pasted an article about these Renault TCE engined cars, I think its worth consideration, Clio is one of my fave superminis. What is it?

Most new models arrive with almost ridiculous amounts of fanfare. But occasionally they merely creep onto the price lists, presumably hoping that someone will notice.

The new Clio 1.2 Turbo is one such model. It’s just gone on sale in the most discreet way possible. Which is a shame, considering that it’s a strong contender for being the best Renault supermini of all. And yes, I’m including the 197 in that list.

The motor that’s been unceremoniously slipped into the Clio is the same one that powers the range-topping Twingo. Basically it’s a blown version of the familiar 1.2-litre 16-valver. So it’s good for 100bhp and 107lb ft of torque, optimised at a lowly 3000rpm. And all the while achieving 47.9mpg, according to official combined figures.

What’s it like?

On the move this new Clio reminded me why everyone is starting to gain a huge appreciation of the new breed of small turbo petrol engines that are starting to appear.

Considering the 1149cc capacity it’s almost indecently punchy in any of its five gears and stays gamely refined too – even when you start creeping towards the red line. Best of all there’s a zest and a zip to it, that’s lacking from all the Clios, save the hot shoe 197.

Sadly it doesn’t have the same chassis tweaks as the hottest Clio. So while it rides and handles neatly and tidily, it’s not as sharp as a Corsa or Fiesta. And the steering feels as wooden as ever.

Should I buy one?

Yes. The Clio TCE has one of the best supermini engines, is well priced and in the right colour it looks great. Perhaps Renault should shout about it.

Chas Hallett

Edited by Alf_Hooker on 28/03/2013 at 20:35

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - Peter.N.

The do a 206 with the 90hp version of the Hdi, quite big enough for a car that size I would think.

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - Avant

Moved to Motoring discussion section.

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - BenG

Cheers for the replies everyone. I guess there's not much choice of non-DPF, non-DMF diesesl out there, even looking 5-6 years back.

Hadn't really considered a turbo petrol but I guess the newer generation of turbocharged-for-torque or for economy engines might not leave me feeling too deprived of torque after a turbodiesel with 300lbft.

I have to admit to being prejudiced against French cars though. Is the build quality of the latest Renaults up to scratch now?

I find it ironic that Renault Clios are being recommended over VW products. I guess it's proof VW have finally totally lost their quality reputation!!

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - daveyK_UK

Im not so sure Renault have improved their build quality of the cars in general, but Renault are certainly top of the game in terms of Diesel engines.

They have the best understanding of the DPF system.

Why not a Dacia Sandero 0.9 with the turbo petrol out of the old Clio?

Excellent value for money.

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - Alf_Hooker
I've had a lot of experience of Renaults, and have been very impressed. Don't forget that in France diesel is much cheaper than petrol, Nobody has a petrol car. diesel is almost completely the de facto fuel.

Renault cars of recent years are reliable, and their diesel engines are amongst the best.
Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - FocusLgd
I've had a lot of experience of Renaults, and have been very impressed. Don't forget that in France diesel is much cheaper than petrol, Nobody has a petrol car. diesel is almost completely the de facto fuel. Renault cars of recent years are reliable, and their diesel engines are amongst the best.

This is a good point - Renault would be a good option. Very good cars.

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - Avant

What's your budget, BenG?

Alf's suggestion of the 1.0 Focus looks like a good one, but you'd have to buy new or nearly-new as this engine hasn't been around for long.

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - BenG

My budget's pretty cheapskate. I always buy seconhand and usually pay up to £7k for a car. Also am thinking of running a second, more interesting older car like a Peugeot 205GTI or Toyota MR2, so I need to keep some cash for insurance, restoration costs, etc.

Seems I can get a Kia Cee'd diesel for my cash and maybe a Honda Civic CDTI, but it would rule out newer stuff like the Focus Ecoboost.

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - daveyK_UK

If your playing with ~£7,000 the 0.9 turbo charged renault unit in the dacia sandero brand new makes perfect sense.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/dacia/sandero/61710/dacia-sandero-09-tce

Autoexpress liked it.

Any - Seeking reliable modern-ish diesel - BenG

Ta, but a Sandero's a bit small for me as I need to carry my bike around and also undertake the odd 700-mile round trip from Scotland to Yorkshire.

I'm happy to buy secondhand anyway, so does not need to be new, just wanting to avoid DPF/DMF issues as much as possible....