What don't you like about the DCT?

Sometimes it changes gear at odd times, like when the torque is just starting to come on strong. Then you get a lurch, not in the gear change itself which is pretty seamless, but in the power delivery because you have just dropped below the torque "window". Also I haven't really driven it hard, but one time I pulled out to overtake and gave the accelerator pedal a good boot, but it changed down to a gear where the rpm meant the meat of the power had passed. This meant nothing much happened until the gearbox changed up. Oddly, I found the same thing happened with our last Hyundai, an i30 turbo diesel (t/c) auto. Lastly, and it has only happened once so far, a very slight judder pulling away from the house (up a slight incline). Nothing like as bad as the juddering (when cold) of the AGS gearbox in the Ignis we had before though.

While the DCT is definitely much better than the AGS in the Ignis, it isn't as smooth, as well sorted, or as well matched to the engine as the CVT in the Jazz we had before the Ignis.

Edited by badbusdriver on 16/01/2024 at 20:17

I could NOT take a liking to the CVT in the Auris I drove last year. It was like an asthmatic vacuum cleaner that gave Little reward for all the noise.

Which engine did the Auris have?. I ask because most Auris CVT's will have a n/a engine (though I believe you could get the 1.2 turbo with a CVT) and so complaints about noise and lack of action would be a little unfair. A n/a petrol Auris won't have a lot of torque, so pressing on is inevitably going to result in much revs. If the engine is excessively noisy, doesn't sound nice at higher revs or if there just isn't that much power, it isn't the fault of the CVT. Peak torque in our Jazz happened at 5k rpm, peak power another 1k higher(!). Accept that and use it, and the Jazz would crack on much quicker and more enjoyably than its reputation would lead you to believe. The lack of torque did mean that cruising at higher speed wasn't too relaxing though as the least flex of your right foot would send the revs soaring (which again isn't really the fault of the transmission)

I suspect your new car will feel well made, similar to the i30?

The Bayon is based on the i20, so a slightly smaller and lighter car than the i30. Not uncomfortable, but it does have a firm-ish ride on its 215/55 x 17 tyres. But everything seems well screwed together so far.

The Auris was the hybrid.

It put me off considering a Corolla.

I think that you will find that the current Corolla is actually 2 generations of hybrid on from that which you tried & significantly improved from that in the Auris.

However, the system (being effectively stepless) will run at the best rpms so if you are trying to crack on it will tend to run at higher rpm (even though Atkinson cycle the ICE is still variable valve timing so the max power is at a high rpm) & hence possibly considered noisier than something with a conventional manual or auto transmission as it will be more of a constant rpm noise rather than rising/falling.

Edited by Heidfirst on 17/01/2024 at 16:34

Thanks for the info. I didn't try a Corolla before we obtained our last cat but listening to the videos of test drives by various websites, it sounded pretty similar.

We might look again at the next change.

Other than adding the higher output 2L to the roster, I think the original 1.8L in the Auris was thoroughly updated to give about 25-30bhp more. That might make a decent difference, plus the latest Corolla has a supposedly very complaint ride.

how old is the Swace?

Bear in mind that the latest generation of hybrid only went into the Corolla in the 23MY cars (so from last Spring).

My MIL has a Swace. I cannot honestly say I noticed a huge difference.

Whats the score with servicing and especially warranty please, did wonder if they might be a little cheaper than the identical Corolla (which is under consideration), but there seems little difference in used prices, still get the 10 year warranty if serviced in house?

As far as I am aware, it is just Suzuki's standard that adds another year up to 7 years or 100,000 miles if you service with a Suzuki dealership.

She has yet to pay for a service as it was a pre-reg/courtesy car that came with a first service.

much obliged to my learned friend, not as long as Toyota's servioce/warranty but heaps better than european marques, will be interested to see how she finds Suzuki's back up in the unlikely event the car gives any trouble.

I'll report back on any issues she may happen to come across, gb.

Yes please