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Which Compact Family Estate? - x-AE

Hi All,

Apologies in advance for the long post.

I am looking for a suggestion from the group members. I am searching for an automatic compact family estate car with a petrol engine. I don't want to go for a loan, so my Max budget is 12k. MPG matters, but I am not looking for a very fuel-efficient vehicle.

I only drive in the city on weekdays, and a single trip is probably not more than 3 to 6 miles. Every Saturday or alternate Saturday, our family go out and drive between 150 to 200 miles (return trip). Once a year, we go on holiday for a long road trip. The yearly mileage should be between 12k to 15k max. I plan to maintain the vehicle with the highest care, probably using the dealer for all services or specialist garages. I need a nice cabin with an excellent music system as the kids enjoy music; the music is on as soon as they get in the vehicle.

I am inclined to buy the 2011-2012 Volvo V50 2.0 ltr Petrol (Japan imported). I like the shape of the vehicle; very sharp and classic; the interior is good, the Infotainment system is excellent, it comes with heated leather seats and a sunroof, and it is spotless, like most Japanese import vehicles. Very low miles, around 50k and comes well within a budget; I can save a lot of money. My only worry is that it has a Ford Powershift Transmission, and I have learned through the online forums that the MAZDA engine is reliable; however, Powershift is very unreliable. I know a used vehicle might throw some unexpected bills; however, I don't want to spend much money repairing the transmission or engine.

The other option I have seen is another V50 2009, which has a 2.4 litre Volvo engine and probably a Volvo Automatic transmission. It is again a Japanese import, having almost the same km but three years older than the other V50. I assume the MPG figure will be much higher than the 2.0 Mazda engine.

I have also seen a couple of Volvo V70s (Japan Import), 2008 to 2012, with almost the same price and same mileage but with 3.2 litres and 2.5T engines. These can be a pleasure to drive, but MPG will be very high again. Another thing is they seem to be a bit larger than I need.

The next short-listed option is a VW Passat estate 2012 (Jap Import), 1.4 litres with all bells and whistles—a lovely cabin with around 50k miles. Almost the same price, but we have a DSG box here; again, many horror stories related to DSG boxes.

Based on my above requirement, I wonder if V50 2.0l and Passat can last for the next five years without much trouble, considering I will take good care of the vehicle. Any input?

And I believe V70 2.5t and 3.2 will be reliable; however, I wonder if fuel efficiency significantly affects the day-to-day running cost as most of the mileage will be on Motorways. I assume the 2.5t and 3.0 Volvo engine doesn't perform poorly on Motorways? Any input?

I would appreciate it if the group members could help me to decide the best option from the above, or what other options I should consider that are not on the above list.

Thanks.

Which Compact Family Estate? - Adampr

A V50 is basically a Ford Focus, so why not consider a Focus?

Why are you so interested in imports? It seems to have become fashionable again, but I don't understand why.

Which Compact Family Estate? - gordonbennet

A V50 is basically a Ford Focus, so why not consider a Focus?

Why are you so interested in imports? It seems to have become fashionable again, but I don't understand why.

Rust i suspect, had the present Prado sized Landcruiser not called to me from t'internet my plan was to import one of similar age/design purely because it would almost certainly be rust free, a clean slate to start with to apply the treatments of your choice to.

Secondly VED issues, especially if going for high band vehicles regd after March 2006, this applies especially to turbocharged Subarus.

Thirdly, Japanese owners apear to take better care of their vehicles than the typical equivalent car here.

Fourthly, some interesting and well proven engine choices carried over from previous models but not found in UK versions, ie you could have the 120 series Prado with the completely bomb proof 3.4 V6 petrol from the previous 90 series, similarly Hilux's with different engines to the basic fare sold here.

As for the OP's car question, isn't Auris estate the answer.

Edited by gordonbennet on 23/06/2023 at 13:57

Which Compact Family Estate? - x-AE

Agree completely to your Japan import vehicles.

Unfortunately Auris is not an option.

Which Compact Family Estate? - Adampr

In any case, a Toyota Auris is probably best suited to what you are looking for. Sadly, plush interiors and reliability seem rarely available in the same package. Of it doesn't absolutely have to be an estate, maybe consider a Lexus.

Which Compact Family Estate? - gordonbennet

Snap, Auris estate timed at 13.57 :-)

Hybrid Auris estate probably not considerable, every taxi driver wants one and its pushed the used values to near enough Corolla level...which has me asking another question, do the taxi lads prefer the slightly more simple car that is Auris, ie real handbrake?

Which Compact Family Estate? - Bromptonaut

Could the OP confirm their location.

The prevalance of Japan imports suggests "not the UK"

Which Compact Family Estate? - x-AE

I am in Southampton.

Which Compact Family Estate? - x-AE

Exactly, but there might be some option as 12k is a moderate budget.

Which Compact Family Estate? - x-AE

Yes. It's focus underneath but i have sat in 2012 focus and a 2012 V50. It's completely a different experience, the quality of the cabin, the sound system etc.

My budget does not allow me to go for a new or nearly new vehicle and the above japan import vehicles I have seen are as spotless and clean as new. Even the rear seat looks like nobody has used them ever. Another point is most of the 10+ years old vehicle in UK are Diesel engine. I found one or two passat, almost same price, probably 5 to 10% higher but high mileage and not very clean inside and out. In fact I thought about a superb estate but all you can fimd s Deisel, same goes for V70. I considered V60 as well, in my budget there are some clean v60, little high mileage but dealer maintained, unfortunately only Diesel.

Which Compact Family Estate? - badbusdriver

Depends on why you want an estate really, because the V50's boot capacity is pretty poor for an estate. If that isn't an issue, fair enough!.

The V50 has 417 litres of boot space. By comparison, the Honda Civic estate (pretty much the same length and width) has 624 litres. The Civic also has more rear seat space. The Honda's 1.8 petrol and t/c auto is pretty much a bulletproof combination, and while it is down on power next to a V50 2.0, it isn't by much (138 vs 145bhp).

Thats what I'd be going for.

Which Compact Family Estate? - x-AE

I belive the boot space of v50 is enough for our requirement. The Honda Civic seems to be a good option. Let me have a look into this.

Which Compact Family Estate? - SLO76
Where are you finding these Japanese import Volvo’s etc. other than specialist Jap performance, quirky k car and MPV models I don’t recall seeing any ex Japan market Volvos being up for sale here. It wouldn’t make any economic sense to import one from the other side of the globe. Surely there can’t be anyone doing business in importing European cars from Japan? If there is could you post links please?
Which Compact Family Estate? - x-AE

While looking for a used car, I have found out that there is a whole market of imported cars is coming up in UK. In fact there are some dealers who are only selling Japanese imported vehicles. Go to Auto Trader and search for Volvo V50, V70, BMW 1, 3 and 5 series, mercedes c and e class, Audi A1, A3, A4, S3, VW polo, golf and Passat, Honda Jazz. Toyota Auris and Yaris and you will find so many Japanese imported vehicles. Interestingly these are the models everyone dealing in. There must be some reason why every dealer is importing the above models only.

Which Compact Family Estate? - SLO76

While looking for a used car, I have found out that there is a whole market of imported cars is coming up in UK. In fact there are some dealers who are only selling Japanese imported vehicles. Go to Auto Trader and search for Volvo V50, V70, BMW 1, 3 and 5 series, mercedes c and e class, Audi A1, A3, A4, S3, VW polo, golf and Passat, Honda Jazz. Toyota Auris and Yaris and you will find so many Japanese imported vehicles. Interestingly these are the models everyone dealing in. There must be some reason why every dealer is importing the above models only.

I can’t find any, any chance you could post links to a few? I find it weird that a business would import European cars from Japan when they’re available here for reasonable money and in large numbers. I do like some of the Japanese market imports, particularly the weird K cars and big MPV’s though.

Edited by SLO76 on 23/06/2023 at 21:12

Which Compact Family Estate? - JonestHon

Honda Civic Tourer will tick most of your boxes.

You can get one with a N/A petrol 140BHP motor and a TC auto box.

Or a Focus 100BHP 1.6 with auto.

It will probably drink a bit in town but should work out overall for your needs.

Not many C segment petrol/auto estate about, actually very little.

See here:

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202306178636264?a...c

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202306148511837?a...c

Which Compact Family Estate? - x-AE

Thanks. That's a good option i didn't explore earlier. I will look into it.

Which Compact Family Estate? - Adampr

I suppose if a Passat is being considered, a Skoda Superb should be too. And probably a Golf/Octavia/Leon.

I remember now, imports are good value again because used car prices have gone silly.

I'd be very careful buying a fresh import; I've had 3 and they are often not quite as they appear when you get under the skin. I'm not saying to avoid them (like I said, I've had three) but exercise caution as importers are not well regulated and shady practices do occur.

Which Compact Family Estate? - Ian_SW

Even in todays crazy market, a £12k budget should be able to do a lot better than a 12-14 year old car.

Even with good maintenance you're at the point where something serious could go wrong and properly at the point where the not quite consumables (suspension components etc.) start to fail.

£12k should get you into an average miles 2018 Astra, Focus or Golf, or if you want something "premium" a slightly high miles 2016 3 series or A4.

Which Compact Family Estate? - Terry W

I would also question why you expect any 12/13 year old car to go hand in hand with reliability.

Premium cars are nice to be in but complex beasts. Reliability is not remotely assured at that age. Japanese imports may typically be in very good order - but insurance can cost more and spares for cars never sold in the country could be problematic.

There are no guarantees with cars that may be 5 or 6 years newer. But with plenty of mid-size estates for sale with below 50k on the clock would be my first choice.

Which Compact Family Estate? - x-AE

When I say reliability that doesn't mean it should be as good as new. Reliability means mainly engine and transmission and some other big components which need big money to repair. A reliable car with good continous maintenance should easily last min 200k miles. I completely understand an 8 to 10 year old car needs some mandatory repairs e.g, cam belt, water pump, shocks etc and may require changing all the oils. I am prepared to do all that.

My wife currently own a skoda fabia 2009, almost 100k on the clock. We bought it around 3 years back with 60k mileage. Last month it required new shocks, break pads anf tyres, other than no expense. I see this car is reliable as of now unless DSG start giving the problem.

I have spent a good amount of years in middle East due to my job and owned a LX470 (LC 100 series) 2004. With good maintenance, 250k miles on the clock and it is still going strong. And on the other hand a Jeep Wrangler 2008 with the same care used to visit garage every now and then and finally i sold it. I have an assumption that Volvos are very reliable if you take good care of them that why probably I am looking Volvos.

Which Compact Family Estate? - Engineer Andy

It might be worth considering an petrol auto MPV pr SUV - admitedly they aren't the most frugal, but they normally come with a decent amount of boot space and are useful for families. More reliable Japanese cars would be available, including UK-based ones.

As with the other cars, avoid automated manuals (pretending to be 'traditional' autos and CVTs from Jatco).

Which Compact Family Estate? - badbusdriver

Where are you finding these Japanese import Volvo’s etc. other than specialist Jap performance, quirky k car and MPV models I don’t recall seeing any ex Japan market Volvos being up for sale here. It wouldn’t make any economic sense to import one from the other side of the globe. Surely there can’t be anyone doing business in importing European cars from Japan? If there is could you post links please?

"thecarwarehouse.co.uk" is one anyway, I have wasted quite a lot of time sifting through their stock since I discovered this place!.

Which Compact Family Estate? - sammy1

Going back a while I had a New Passat that was bound for Japan and had the square rear number plate. It was quite a conversation piece as too the number plate. Bought it for a salvage company who had a deal with Audi/VW to buy factory/transporter damaged cars. The car had a Japanese wave band radio and so did a Skyline that my son had from an Import company in Southampton. Then the cars were in Japan and you chose one and the import company arranged the shipping and paper work

Which Compact Family Estate? - x-AE

Sorry I could not understand correctly. You mean to say a salvage car exporter from UK to Japan and the same vehicle imported back to UK?

Which Compact Family Estate? - sammy1

Sorry I could not understand correctly. You mean to say a salvage car exporter from UK to Japan and the same vehicle imported back to UK?

No The car was made in Germany but had a damaged panel so never made it to Japan but was sold to me in the UK by a salvage company. The car was never salvage and I registered it new having repaired it. It was a 1.8t petrol in metallic silver. I expect it ended up in the UK as it is right hand drive as is Japan

Edited by sammy1 on 23/06/2023 at 22:25

Which Compact Family Estate? - SLO76
I wouldn’t even consider a 12-14yr old Volvo, BMW or similar with a budget of £12,000. I’d instead be looking at a Toyota Auris estate - the hybrid is the one to have, but the taxi owners have caught on to how tough they are and they’re rocketed in value. Or a Honda Civic Estate or a Mazda 6 2.0 petrol estate. The Toyota Avensis 1.8 petrol is another good option but they’re not as pleasant to drive as the Mazda. A Seat Leon 1.4 TSi Estate is another good car.