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EV depreciation after three years - - Sulphur Man

As the quantity of used EVs on the market increases, the depreciation is, in certain cases, something to behold. I'd heard that buyers (and dealers) are suspicious of them, but finding good evidence of what owners are experiencing at trade in/private sale time was tricky.

However, a thread on a popular community deals site (the Hot one) has opened a real trove of information. One post really stuck out, from someone who paid £80k for a well optioned Audi Q8 eTron in 2020. Here it is

"The px value of our 20 plate 55 sline earlier in the year- new over £80k - had a few packs added - comfort and sound pack, panaromic roof, tour and teck pack - so over £6k options… 30k miles later only £30k - the dealer will list it for £36k

The Q8 etron with significant range improvement hasnt helped at all in used prices…. But like when the new iphone comes out the old one takes a hit in value.

To add further insult— could have saved £15k on a Q5 and those used are over £10k more still."

There's a few ways of responding to this.

1) Early adopter - that's the risk you take

2) No one is walking into dealers to drop £45K on a 3yr-old £80K EV.

3) The stock of used EVs just isn't shifting.

4) The tax incentives available for a new EV purchase are not available when buying used - this is the EV market without the incentives.

It's probably a combination of the above, and some other factors.

The case that EV ownership is cheaper than ICE is looking all but gone in these market conditions. What EV, if any, commands strong residual values. Any ideas?

A new MG4 is £30k. A 3 yr old Audi eTron is £30k, with 5 yrs of battery warranty remaining and the option to extend the warranty. For some, that might represent a bargain, and a scenario of where EV running costs are better than ICE!

EV depreciation after three years - - sammy1

"""A new MG4 is £30k. A 3 yr old Audi eTron is £30k, with 5 yrs of battery warranty remaining and the option to extend the warranty. For some, that might represent a bargain, and a scenario of where EV running costs are better than ICE!

An interesting dilemma that many are asking but I don't know if committing to buy. One thing is certain that the dealers will not loose out. If you take the £30k etron out of warranty save for the battery still a lot to go wrong. 5 years on the battery if you keep it that long but what would you expect to get if you trade it in year by year as the battery ages. Then after 5 years you have an 8 year car needing a new battery perhaps of not much life in the original so now what is it worth? Perhaps £10k to put in a new battery makes the etron worth .now? At the moment it seems that only company drivers with their BIK benefit and other subsidised ownership perks are the winners.

EV depreciation after three years - - SLO76
A while back (be over a year now) when swmbo was pushing for an EV to commute to work, I found a nearby low mileage, high spec, big battery Renault Zoe in a private sale at £16,000. Dealers were at the time asking around £17,500 for similar cars and that was before I hammered the price down a bit.

Before committing to a purchase I often get a feel for how the trade are valuing them by getting prices from WBAC and rivals. This car, which was identical to others sitting on dealer forecourts at around £17,500 was valued by WBAC at £4,700 if memory serves me right. The trade are expecting big margins in used EV’s to offset the risk of battery degradation. They just don’t know how to value them yet and those buying overpriced dealer stock are certain to take a huge hit.

SWMBO has just bought a 3yr old Leaf for £13,600, which is very cheap compared to our local main dealer. But it’s all on her when it comes time to sell it on. I may keep it as our second car to see just how long it’ll last when she pays it off in 4yrs time.
EV depreciation after three years - - Terry W

A loss of around £40k over three years seems par for the course for any premium car costing £80-100k in 2020 - S Class, 7 Series, A8 as examples. Particularly as many will associate EV with range anxiety, demand will be more limited anyway.

They are bought new by folk with loadsamoney - sometimes because they appreciate the quality, sometimes for ego and status.

Quite simply these cars are functionally completely excessive. At £35k buyers can buy a new car which is entirely competent with full warranty.

The price needs to be low to attract buyers - and the loss for the original owner may be due to high prices paid during the pandemic when supplies were limited.

EV depreciation after three years - - madf

A BMW I3 owner posted he bought his two year old car for £22k - in pandemic so inflated prices. A year later market value was c £15k.

But anyone buying a car during the pandemic was paying a 50% scarcity premium. There are 911 BMWI3s for sale on Autotrader this am: a month ago there were 1023... so they are selling .. but only at the right price. CarGurus has a feature showing price reductions... by date and how long advertised. Some cars for over 200 days. Madness.

I looked at I3s in 2020. Cheapest on Autotrader was c £9k. Post Covid that rose to c £13k. Now just under £9k. So another c 25% to fall.

Edited by madf on 22/05/2023 at 03:28

EV depreciation after three years - - pd

Big expensive cars lose shed loads of money. Plus ca change.

You've always been able to buy a 3 year old luxo barge for not much more than a new Focus so the MG4 comparison looks about the norm.

EV depreciation after three years - - pd

Incidentally since when did EVs need new batteries at 8 years old? None that I know of.

There has been an adjustment in EV values. They went up massively when petrol went through the roof in a bubble and now they have adjusted back to previous levels. Dealers are nervous of them because of price volatility, I don't think they're worried about battery degradation much.

EV depreciation after three years - - sammy1

Incidentally since when did EVs need new batteries at 8 years old? None that I know of.

There has been an adjustment in EV values. They went up massively when petrol went through the roof in a bubble and now they have adjusted back to previous levels. Dealers are nervous of them because of price volatility, I don't think they're worried about battery degradation much.

Did you perhaps miss ""perhaps"" after my analogy of the etron! Suggest nobody yet knows the real life of EV batteries or the replacement price in say 10 years time

EV depreciation after three years - - Sulphur Man

That's somewhat missing the point

2020 Audi Q8 50 S Line, petrol, 43K miles - £42995 www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303145238062?a...a

2020 Audi eTron 50 S Line, EV, 43K miles - £33998

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304206471389?a...a

And there's several eTrons in Sport trim under £30K.

If you bought petrol three years ago, you've saved on the savage depreciation of an EV.

There really is no credible use case for buying and owning an EV, financially, unless the government or your employer or both is going to subsidise it substantially.

EV depreciation after three years - - Adampr

I get the point, but an etron and q8 aren't the same car. A q8 costs more in the first place.

EV depreciation after three years - - Sulphur Man

Ok. As per the original post, a new Q5 costs less than an eTron did in 2020. £15k less, and is now worth £10K more used.

It's not confined to prestige cars. Used EV prices are tumbling regardless, compared to ICE.

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-1...l

If eTrons get to £20k by the autumn, I might bite. Nice little runaround.

EV depreciation after three years - - Adampr

Looking at a Peugeot 208 as an example of something that is an identical car, it would appear that used prices for the EV are about the same as for petrol. That, of course, means the EV depreciates faster than the petrol.

Why? I would suspect it's because very very few people would ever buy a new EV with cash and the fleet / fiance cars are now making their way to the market. The other big reason will be the rapid increase in electricity prices, meaning that the running costs are now much closer. I was offered the opportunity to buy my e-corsa at the end of the lease and laughed.

It will be interesting to see if and when this washes through to new prices or, indeed, if EV prices go back up when fuel bills (allegedly) come back down again in summer.

EV depreciation after three years - - Terry W

It is no surprise the value of EVs has dropped faster than their ICE equivalents compared to a 2020 new price:

  • increased electricity and reduced petrol/diesel have reduced the benefit of EV
  • as volumes of EVs increase manufacturing costs benefit from economies of scale which are reflected in selling prices
  • EV technology (including batteries) continues to evolve fast making older models relatively obsolete faster

It is a mistake to assume that the decision to buy EV is purely financial - for many it is about status, image, perceptions, corporate branding and sometimes even environmental concerns.

If you are able to buy a car for £70k++ it is clear the concept of value for money in vehicle procurement is not a high priority - quality, functionally competent new cars can be bought for half the price.

Assuming future trends will mirror the past and consign EVs to the dustbin of failed technology is almost certainly foolish.

EV depreciation after three years - - Adampr

Can we please not forget that EVs are, in general terms, rather more refined with better acceleration.

EV depreciation after three years - - sammy1

Can we please not forget that EVs are, in general terms, rather more refined with better acceleration.

This is a rather broad statement and a lot of modern ICE cars are more than a match and acceleration is probably for most of little consideration. Indeed a lot of older cars including BMW and Mercs are extremely refined. A neighbour left his f10 BMW still running on his drive after returning home having forgotten to turn it off and he is not deaf! Although I admit EVs make a lot of sense they are not that far down the road in numerous ways as discussed on here many times

EV depreciation after three years - - pd

Can we please not forget that EVs are, in general terms, rather more refined with better acceleration.

This is a rather broad statement and a lot of modern ICE cars are more than a match and acceleration is probably for most of little consideration. Indeed a lot of older cars including BMW and Mercs are extremely refined. A neighbour left his f10 BMW still running on his drive after returning home having forgotten to turn it off and he is not deaf! Although I admit EVs make a lot of sense they are not that far down the road in numerous ways as discussed on here many times

A BMW F10 is my daily car. If I get into it after driving an EV it feels like driving a tractor.

EV depreciation after three years - - sammy1

Can we please not forget that EVs are, in general terms, rather more refined with better acceleration.

This is a rather broad statement and a lot of modern ICE cars are more than a match and acceleration is probably for most of little consideration. Indeed a lot of older cars including BMW and Mercs are extremely refined. A neighbour left his f10 BMW still running on his drive after returning home having forgotten to turn it off and he is not deaf! Although I admit EVs make a lot of sense they are not that far down the road in numerous ways as discussed on here many times

A BMW F10 is my daily car. If I get into it after driving an EV it feels like driving a tractor.

Must be a diesel surely as the 6cy petrol is a peach

EV depreciation after three years - - SLO76
My darling SWMBO has just taken advantage of EV depreciation to buy a 31,000 mile three year old Nissan Leaf for £13,500. It has arrived and I can’t fault it save for a tiny scuff on the rear bumper. I’m not an EV advocate, the new cost is nonsense and the market knock the crap out of them as a result plus lifespan is a big question mark. But at £13,500 and with access to plenty of free chargers nearby it does add up financially. I’ve had a short drive in it and it’s really quite pleasant. Lively, refined, comfortable and it rides well for a small family hatchback. The boot is huge too surprisingly. The only issue we’ve had so far is that our home charger isn’t working. No bad thing though, as I am in charge of paying the electricity bill.
EV depreciation after three years - - barney100
Used Evs have the Achilles heel of ‘how much range is left?’ The depreciation quoted is worrying too.