Toyota CEO: “This New Engine Will Destroy The Entire EV Industry!”
youtu.be/rTawvzH0MQ4
This must be the new CEO, hence the recent doubts expressed by the old CEO about whether EV's are the complete answer.
Edited by focussed on 12/04/2023 at 15:12
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I’d like to see the quote directly attributed to Toyota’s CEO.
If you Google it, the exact same wording has apparently been used by Ford’s CEO and Elon Musk, as well as the heads of GM and Mercedes.
Edited by mcb100 on 12/04/2023 at 15:31
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As no-one is investing in a mass market to distribute hydrogen..It is bull excrement
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Got to be honest, I really don't see the point for passenger cars. It looks overly complicated and will take years to begin to develop a network of stations which may not be economically viable anyway if only Toyota is pushing it.
Maybe for HGVs or something else.
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As no-one is investing in a mass market to distribute hydrogen..It is bull excrement
Really?
www.cnbc.com/2022/02/22/toyota-commissions-yamaha-...l
global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/35209996.html
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ2qxUuKAL0&ab_channel=EVN...k
Obviously Toyota don't think the idea is BS.
Don't forget that super pure hydrogen would not be required as it is for fuel cell cars.
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I'm looking forward to driving an hour to Swindon every time I want to fill up.
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Toyota CEO: “This New Engine Will Destroy The Entire EV Industry!” youtu.be/rTawvzH0MQ4 This must be the new CEO, hence the recent doubts expressed by the old CEO about whether EV's are the complete answer.
That video imo goes well over the top, as the Video I saw the CEO said they wanted to give the customers a choice, not destroy the EV industry, I cannot find the video I watched but it was nothing like that and mentioned making there own green Hydrogen filling stations until private companies stepped in which they expected to take several years
there are similar videos on the tube but not worth watching as they exaggerate far too much ie unbelievable imo
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Completely superficial garbage.
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Completely superficial garbage.
So are EVs but I`m not complaining, Toyota stand as much chance of succeeding with Hydrogen ICE as they have with the Prius given time.....
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Completely superficial garbage.
So are EVs but I`m not complaining, Toyota stand as much chance of succeeding with Hydrogen ICE as they have with the Prius given time.....
Not really. EVs can be charged at home, at work etc. Petrol and diesel can be refuelled in most significant settlements. Hybrids are the same. Hydrogen can (in the UK) be filled up in 1 of 14 places.
The Toyota Mirai has been on sale in the UK for 8 years and there are fewer than 160 in the country. That's 20 a year.
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Completely superficial garbage.
So are EVs but I`m not complaining, Toyota stand as much chance of succeeding with Hydrogen ICE as they have with the Prius given time.....
Not really. EVs can be charged at home, at work etc. Petrol and diesel can be refuelled in most significant settlements. Hybrids are the same. Hydrogen can (in the UK) be filled up in 1 of 14 places.
The Toyota Mirai has been on sale in the UK for 8 years and there are fewer than 160 in the country. That's 20 a year.
I was referring to the amount of batteries that have to be used and where they come from. not how they are charged.
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Now that most EVs have an underfloor 'slab' battery, the amount of space the hydrogen car's propulsion system takes up looks considerable. An internal combustion engine and gearbox plus big hydrogen tanks that take up a lot more space than the fuel tank in a petrol or diesel car.
One big advantage EVs offer is that they potentially free up a lot of space for passenger / luggage within a given footprint, as with 'frunks' on Teslas.
Edited by Sofa Spud on 13/04/2023 at 00:41
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Completely superficial garbage.
So are EVs but I`m not complaining, Toyota stand as much chance of succeeding with Hydrogen ICE as they have with the Prius given time.....
EV's are superficial?
Thats a new one..............
;-)
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Completely superficial garbage.
So are EVs but I`m not complaining, Toyota stand as much chance of succeeding with Hydrogen ICE as they have with the Prius given time.....
EV's are superficial?
Thats a new one..............
;-)
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EPA proposes new tailpipe rules that could push EVs to make up two-thirds of new car sales in US by 2032"
edition.cnn.com/2023/04/12/politics/car-pollution-...l
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I just can't see the gap in the market long term for this for most cars.
By the time it hits the market EVs will have probably developed in lower price and longer range so what's the USP?
Ok, you can fill faster but you need whole new infrastructure and distribution chain and it's no good being able to fill faster if there isn't a pump nearby. And there probably won't be one at your local filling station because your local filling station will have closed. It also won't get anywhere with just one or two manufacturers supporting it.
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Completely superficial garbage.
So are EVs but I`m not complaining, Toyota stand as much chance of succeeding with Hydrogen ICE as they have with the Prius given time.....
EV's are superficial?
Thats a new one..............
;-)
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EPA proposes new tailpipe rules that could push EVs to make up two-thirds of new car sales in US by 2032"
edition.cnn.com/2023/04/12/politics/car-pollution-...l
they might be in trouble if the public do not buy them, plenty against EVs in America
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Fairly trivial treatment, self-contradictory in several places, notably on whether to ignore the oxides of nitrogen and claim the exhaust is pure water dilemma, which they don't seem to be able to resolve.
I would assume that a hydrogen IC engine would still fall foul of the impending UK and EU ban, which AFAIK doesn't specifry the fuel source.
There is (again, AFAIK) no current exemption for bio or synthetic fuels, which could also be carbon neutral, though still polluting.
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Fairly trivial treatment, self-contradictory in several places, notably on whether to ignore the oxides of nitrogen and claim the exhaust is pure water dilemma, which they don't seem to be able to resolve.
I would assume that a hydrogen IC engine would still fall foul of the impending UK and EU ban, which AFAIK doesn't specifry the fuel source.
There is (again, AFAIK) no current exemption for bio or synthetic fuels, which could also be carbon neutral, though still polluting.
Iirc they just specified zero emissions exhaust, not fuel used so if they come up with petrol zero emissions that would count. (Just an example)
Ford did say they could do it years ago but said the public wouldnt pay the cost of doing it....
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Here’s the original proposal from 2020 - www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-histor...0
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Here’s the original proposal from 2020 - www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-histor...0
Not really news as by then our government I doubt will be there, and others will make changes as they often do, considering the gas guzzlers about replacing smaller and more fuel efficient cars, going all EV looks like a 100 years away as with charging systems and mains cables....interesting times me thinks!
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Fairly trivial treatment, self-contradictory in several places, notably on whether to ignore the oxides of nitrogen and claim the exhaust is pure water dilemma, which they don't seem to be able to resolve.
I would assume that a hydrogen IC engine would still fall foul of the impending UK and EU ban, which AFAIK doesn't specifry the fuel source.
There is (again, AFAIK) no current exemption for bio or synthetic fuels, which could also be carbon neutral, though still polluting.
Iirc they just specified zero emissions exhaust, not fuel used so if they come up with petrol zero emissions that would count. (Just an example)
Ford did say they could do it years ago but said the public wouldnt pay the cost of doing it....
You'd have to trap all the CO2 produced in combustion, then you'd have to put it somewhere harmless, like maybe a very big sealed greenhouse.
Possibly if Ford said the could do this "years ago", CO2 wasn't being counted as a pollutant, just actual toxins.
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You'd have to trap all the CO2 produced in combustion, then you'd have to put it somewhere harmless, like maybe a very big sealed greenhouse.
considering how much CO2 is produced making an EV thats a lot more than an ice produces, so you would need a lot more storage space, kinda defeats the object imo. and waste of time......
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As usual this thread is populated by the battery EV lobby insisting there can be no future alternative. They are wrong because many parts of the world and/or applications cannot rely solely on battery or solar power for transport.
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As usual this thread is populated by the battery EV lobby insisting there can be no future alternative. They are wrong because many parts of the world and/or applications cannot rely solely on battery or solar power for transport.
A lot of places where there's not enough sun for effective solar power happen to be quite windy! Yes, there are some places where green, electric transport will remain impractical but creating a hydrogen supply infrastructure in such places will also be impractical.
If 95% of the world can change, over time, to EVs, then the remaining 5% powered by petrol or diesel is a much diminished environmental problem.
I still drive a diesel car (60 mpg) but I'l like to change to an EV when I need to swap for a newer car.
Edited by Sofa Spud on 21/04/2023 at 12:13
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You'd have to trap all the CO2 produced in combustion, then you'd have to put it somewhere harmless, like maybe a very big sealed greenhouse.
considering how much CO2 is produced making an EV thats a lot more than an ice produces, so you would need a lot more storage space, kinda defeats the object imo. and waste of time......
I rather doubt this is true (though I have not attempted to find out) but in any case I said nothing about EV's.
I was simply commenting on the plausability of the quoted Ford claim.
I'm not personally interested in EV's. I think Ferrari were quoted as saying something along similar lines a while ago, though probably for rather different reasons.
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