Yeah the models below have 16s they look ok, but the originals are 17s and thats what I would sell the car with so best stick with those.

Thanks for feedback though.

Other question I had is how the tyres preform on longer journeys, my milage isnt high at the moment due to not communing far anymore, but we still have a few family trips a year where the car will go a long journey.

Other question I had is how the tyres preform on longer journeys, my milage isnt high at the moment due to not communing far anymore, but we still have a few family trips a year where the car will go a long journey.

Not sure what you mean?

In the summer, an all season tyre performs pretty much the same as a summer tyre. As I said, I use all season tyres on my van all year round covering approx 10k miles per year.

We ran Kleber Quadraxer all seasons on 4 of our cars from about 2009 to 2015. We both had commutes into areas where roads were untreated and at the time we lived at 600 ft above sea level and our untreated and unploughed street could be problematic at best. Found them to be excellent, I got to and from work (in a BMW) when colleagues with 4 x 4's stayed at home. The wear on them seemed less than summer tyres and they were quieter as well.

Kleber is a Michelin brand and if you look at the current Quadraxer its pretty much identical to the Michelin Cross Climate but its quite a bit cheaper. If I needed tyres today they would be at the top of my list. Currently at MyTyres a 205 55 16 (3 cars used that size) Kleber is £70, Michelin is £97. For our Superb (215 55 17) Klebers would be £136, Michelins £169.

I have run All seasons (michelin) for four years on our Jazz.

Ok in summer,, no issues.

No good on ice.

Very good in mud, better than summer in snow.

We are 200meters up in Staffordshire Moorlands on edge of Peak District. Can get heavy snow at times though rarer than 1980s (Global warming)

Would I buy again? Yes

Tyre life? 50k miles expected from wear

Shows how important it is to shop around. Mytyres possibly have the benefit of placing bigger orders as they will sell more?

I wasn't aware that Kleber is a Michelin brand, so out of curiosity I had a look on Ebay to find out the price difference for all season tyres (my Caddy van uses 195/65 15" and I would choose a weight rating of 91-95).

Cheapest Kleber listed is the Quadraxer 2 at £118.03, cheapest Michelin is the Crossclimate 2 at £86.56

Just looked on MyTyres, Kleber and Michelin both in 195 65 15 91H, Kleber £63.69, Michelin £87.79. Michelin about the same price on both, bizarre that Kleber is so much more expensive on E Bay.

Of course I have only looked at the Ebay prices (out of curiosity) as i am still (hopefully) at least 12 months away from needing new tyres!. I will look into it a bit more nearer the time, but it just seems a bit odd that the Kleber price was so much higher given what Skidpan found?

You have to be careful with E Bay for tyres. In the past I saw some absolute bargain trackday rubber but when I enquired I was told they were brand new and unfitted but were stock older than 2 years thus the price reduction. For trackdays this is not really an issue, they are unlikely to do more than a few days before being consigned to the bin and even if the rubber has hardened a bit on a non-competitive trackday its not an issue whereas in a race it would be. On the road the 2 year old tyres would be perfectly safe and if you do 10,000 miles a year they will be in the bin long before the normal 6 year age deadline most organisations recommend. But if you are a low mileage user they could be a false economy should they have usable tread when they are due for replacement.

To be fair to the chap on E Bay he was honest but I suspect many will not be and will simply hope the buyer will not be aware of the date code. Pretty sure MyTyres show if a tyre is older than 2 years but as always you need to check if something seems cheap, there is normally a good reason.

Back in the early 90's I bought a set of 4 tyres for track use, got a good deal plus a £50 a meeting bonus if I won my class. First 3 meetings was 3 class records plus 3 wins, more than happy. 4th meeting the car was undrivable. Rang the UK agent only to find that he had fled the country for various monetary and personal safety reasons, good news was the new agent had taken over any issues he had left behind. Asked for the various codes on the sidewalls, 3 were production for the new season with the current compound, 1 was production for the previous season and was the old compound and the tyre had simply gone off. Instant offer to replace the tyre FOC (just a 120 mile round trip) and all was well, another win and record next time out. By the end of the year I had money in my pocket and 2 championship class wins. I also met my current wife who was one of the championship coordinators.

Could have been worse.

Just having my toyota yaris fettled with 4 michelin crossclimate 2 at

Kwikfit. Had all seasons before would recommend them as when temps

Go low the soft rubber on all season tyres grip better also they quieter and run

Smoothly