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Tue 11 Jan 2022 08:56
any - Car scrappage ages - _
From HJ news.

Good news for ford owners that they last so long or not.

I realise that it is average age..

Top five models scrapped in 2021 Vehicle Average scrap value Average age 1. Ford Focus £243 16 2. Vauxhall Corsa £224 15 3. Ford Fiesta £214 16 4. Vauxhall Astra £237 15 5. Renault Clio£19717
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Tue 11 Jan 2022 09:36
any - Car scrappage ages - Andrew-T

It will be an oddly mixed statistic, as some cars will be written off for excess damage, others will just have become too old to sell ?

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Tue 11 Jan 2022 10:10
any - Car scrappage ages - SLO76
That average ago for Fords will rapidly fall as the old Japanese engined models die off and the bulk will consist of diesels and Ecoboom models. The older Yamaha designed engines were bulletproof and there was little other than rust and utter neglect able to kill them outside of a major impact.
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Tue 11 Jan 2022 10:15
any - Car scrappage ages - Trilogy.

My 15 year old Focus MK2 1.6 has only done 71,000 miles. At 5,000 miles a year, current annual mileage, it should go on for at least another 20 years provided it's waxoyled. It's all the car you could ever want.

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Tue 11 Jan 2022 11:33
any - Car scrappage ages - thunderbird

Just looked up our 2008 Focus 1.8 on the MOT checker. We PX'd it in December 2019 with about 55,000 miles on the clock. In good condition but needed 4 new tyres. Since PX'ing it 2 years ago it had done about 4,000 miles and failed its MOT in December 2021 on the tyres, clearly still had the knackered ones on it we sold it with. All 4 got the Tyre has ply or cords exposed perished, and worn (5.2.3 (d) (ii)) and one front one got a Tyre tread pattern not visible over the whole tread area when minimum depth required is 1.0mm (5.2.3 (e)). It was tested in December 2019 after we sold it (presumably by the selling dealer) and got advisories for all 4 tyres on that test Tyre slightly damaged/cracking or perishing (5.2.3 (d).

Reminds me a bit of the Merc in the Post last month.

At 13 1/2 years old there is still not a single mention of corrosion on any MOT test.

Edited by thunderbird on 11/01/2022 at 11:46

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Tue 11 Jan 2022 12:25
any - Car scrappage ages - Andrew-T

At 13 1/2 years old there is still not a single mention of corrosion on any MOT test.

That's the age of my Pug 207 diesel, which came off the production line 14 years ago next week. No mention of corrosion either - the only thing which did corrode was the support strap round the exhaust tailbox, which I replaced with a s/steel one from E-bay.

Ways were clearly found decades ago for rustproofing cars at the factory, but some makers seem to have cut back in that area.

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Tue 11 Jan 2022 13:19
any - Car scrappage ages - Xileno

"My 15 year old Focus MK2 1.6 has only done 71,000 miles."

Snap. Well almost. My 15 year old MK2 is on 85000. A fiend of mine has a pit, a couple of summers ago we both had a good look underneath and it was in fine condition. No mention of any corrosion in any MOT so far. I have had water leaks into the boot but this is a common problem and there is plenty of help on the web, usual remedy involves a bit of roof/gutter mastic and a dry day. I might treat it to a new clutch this year, it sometimes judders a bit when cold although slipping the clutch a little for the first few applications gets around the problem.

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Tue 11 Jan 2022 17:43
any - Car scrappage ages - John F

"My 15 year old Focus MK2 1.6 has only done 71,000 miles."

Snap. Well almost. My 15 year old MK2 is on 85000...... No mention of any corrosion in any MOT so far.

I have just finished tarting up the sill corrosion on our 21yr old Mk1 Focus estate with some inexpertly applied fibreglass (its owner is on holiday). Unlike the above low mileage specimens it's had a fairly hard life of more than 160,000 miles and, crucially, lived much of its life outside. If a low mileage car lives in a cool dry garage like my 41yr old TR7, corrosion will be much less. Even so, its first need for welding (rear sill) was at 17yrs old to pass the MoT, and another weld (the other rear sill) two years later. I suspect it might fail again in March.

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Tue 11 Jan 2022 18:13
any - Car scrappage ages - Andrew-T

<< If a low mileage car lives in a cool dry garage like my 41yr old TR7, corrosion will be much less. >>

True, but my Pug 207 has spent all its life outdoors and has not yet had any reports of corrosion. It is almost impossible to get it into my garage (which houses a 306 anyway) but there seems no need for that. Undamaged Peugeots seem to be very rust-resistant.

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Tue 11 Jan 2022 19:37
any - Car scrappage ages - Steveieb

My 2003 A4 has developed a hole in the usual place on the wing due to poor design but the rest of the car is solid.

But I’m surprised about the excellent condition of my Japanese built Corolla Verso as I always believed that Japanese cars are particularly vulnerable to rust like the Honda scandal in the eighties when all their cars sold in the Northern hemisphere were recalled to have their rusted parts replaced.

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Tue 11 Jan 2022 23:22
any - Car scrappage ages - Andrew-T

I always believed that Japanese cars are particularly vulnerable to rust like the Honda scandal in the eighties when all their cars sold in the Northern hemisphere were recalled to have their rusted parts replaced.

I thought Japanese cars of that period rusted because of using poor steel - recycled or something ? That stopped long ago.

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Wed 12 Jan 2022 08:06
any - Car scrappage ages - RT

I always believed that Japanese cars are particularly vulnerable to rust like the Honda scandal in the eighties when all their cars sold in the Northern hemisphere were recalled to have their rusted parts replaced.

I thought Japanese cars of that period rusted because of using poor steel - recycled or something ? That stopped long ago.

Early imports of Japanese cars rusted because little corrosion-proofing was used as salt isn't used on Japanese roads - they changed swiftly when European conditions were realised - Italian cars rusted badly due to poor quality Russian steel used in a trade deal.

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Wed 12 Jan 2022 08:52
any - Car scrappage ages - Ted66

My 14 year old Fiat is showing corrosion on one sill. At 190000 miles though no complaints. See how the MOT goes in a couple of weeks so will decide whether to move on or not. Used prices are high now with less choice about.

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Wed 12 Jan 2022 11:23
any - Car scrappage ages - John F

<< If a low mileage car lives in a cool dry garage like my 41yr old TR7, corrosion will be much less. >>

True, but my Pug 207 has spent all its life outdoors and has not yet had any reports of corrosion. .... Undamaged Peugeots seem to be very rust-resistant.

One reason as well as its excellent powertrain why we chose a Pug 2008 to replace Mrs F's Focus. Many years ago I bought a brace of ancient Peugeot 309s for a few hundred each for our teenage sons and was amazed at their lack of even superficial corrosion. Where did they get the metal from? It certainly wasn't British steel, the innate imperfections of which would erupt through the strongest paintwork like weeds through a tarmac path. I'd be interested to know their average scap year age - ancient boxy Peugeots can probably still be seen in French town backstreets and I believe they are still commonplace in sub-Saharan Francophone Africa, e.g.the bulletproof 504.

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Wed 12 Jan 2022 11:41
any - Car scrappage ages - Metropolis.
John if you go on the “how many left” website, I think you can see charts for this sort of stuff.
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Wed 12 Jan 2022 14:35
any - Car scrappage ages - Andrew-T

<< I was amazed at their lack of even superficial corrosion. Where did they get the metal from? >>

I don't know how much it was down to the quality of the metal. I have a copy of a Pug 205 brochure dated December 1987 which describes the rust protection:

Panels degreased (galvanised in vulnerable areas) - phosphating - electrophoretic bath - joint sealing - crackle-finish anti-chip PVC - primer with micaceous iron oxide - acrylic lacquer - varnish on black or metallics - wax pressure-injected in box sections.

No idea whether that is still the process, but it clearly worked. maybe they found the cars lasted too long ....

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Wed 12 Jan 2022 16:40
any - Car scrappage ages - madf

Our 1993 Peugeot 106 rusted badly at 16 years old: front engine support rails: rear floor around exhaust mountings.

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Wed 12 Jan 2022 19:45
any - Car scrappage ages - Andrew-T

Our 1993 Peugeot 106 rusted badly at 16 years old: front engine support rails: rear floor around exhaust mountings.

The 205 Garros that my SiL's brother now owns has passed 28 MoT's, with about 6 mentions of corrosion, all but one referring to brake pipes. 150K on the clock now.

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Wed 12 Jan 2022 17:02
any - Car scrappage ages - Engineer Andy
From HJ news.

Good news for ford owners that they last so long or not.

I realise that it is average age..

Top five models scrapped in 2021 Vehicle Average scrap value Average age 1. Ford Focus £243 16 2. Vauxhall Corsa £224 15 3. Ford Fiesta £214 16 4. Vauxhall Astra £237 15 5. Renault Clio£19717

My Mazda3 is now 16yo - apart from a bit of welding needed on the rear hanger for the exhaust, still goin' fine, passing its 13th MOT in a row.

Just had a nice day out shopping for beds and boots in Herts, Beds and Cambs, with lots of country road driving in the sun.

No scrapping on the horizon. Two older 54 plate examples still chugging away in my home town as well though a bit rustier around the wheel arches than mine. Mine literally ticked over to 70k miles on the way home.

Edited by Engineer Andy on 12/01/2022 at 17:03

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Wed 12 Jan 2022 20:17
any - Car scrappage ages - Xileno

The window cleaner that does the street I live in has a battered old Citroen Berlingo (Y reg). There's not an undamaged panel on it but even where it's been hit, there's no rust, just the exposed grey metal. Certainly quite an achievement compared to the rust on some previous model Sprinters and Transits.

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Thu 13 Jan 2022 07:57
any - Car scrappage ages - barney100

Volvo used to say their cars were good for 19 years. Mine’s lasted 14 on 161k now…v70 …

tThe Berlingos are very interesting, there are two near me, an 04 and an 03. Both look fine but one according to the incumbent symbo has very heavy steering but himself says it’ s fine.

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Thu 13 Jan 2022 08:43
any - Car scrappage ages - Alby Back
A Danish friend of mine has a 2008 Merc E class estate that he’s had from new. He is a high mileage driver. Keeps it in immaculate condition. I was in it shortly before the first lockdown.
It has done more than 600,000 km. No major repairs have been needed yet. Original engine and gearbox etc. Still looking good too.
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Thu 13 Jan 2022 14:23
any - Car scrappage ages - Engineer Andy

Just shows that with a bit of TLC along with common sense and a smidge of luck, most cars these days can keep going perfectly well for a long time.

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