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Small SUV-New - Red25

Hi, looking to upgrade my 2009 Toyota Auris. Apart from the several recalls it's had I've been pleased with it.

Buying new. Looking for petrol & preferably manual. I've test driven Nissan Juke & Qashqai, Toyota C-HR. There's a big difference in price & the Nissan dealer has a good promotion at the moment, but concerned about reviews & past issues.

Any other makes I should consider? Thanks

Small SUV-New - 72 dudes

Nissan no longer have the reputation for the reliability of the other Japanese makes, so your older Auris would be more reliable.

Clearly you are looking for a more stylish car with raised ride height this time.

I would also look at the Mazda CX3 and CX30, the Honda HRV. The Korean makes worth a look would be the Kia Stonic and the Hyundai Kona.

The C-HR you mention is hybrid only now so make sure you are happy with the CVT gearbox, although I believe the recent improvements have made them much better. No manual gearbox available.

I wouldn't rule out the new Ford Puma either. Rave reviews, happy owners, good to drive and spacious for the dimensions.

Edited by 72 dudes on 20/07/2020 at 06:37

Small SUV-New - Engineer Andy

Nissan no longer have the reputation for the reliability of the other Japanese makes, so your older Auris would be more reliable.

Clearly you are looking for a more stylish car with raised ride height this time.

I would also look at the Mazda CX3 and CX30, the Honda HRV. The Korean makes worth a look would be the Kia Stonic and the Hyundai Kona.

The C-HR you mention is hybrid only now so make sure you are happy with the CVT gearbox, although I believe the recent improvements have made them much better. No manual gearbox available.

I wouldn't rule out the new Ford Puma either. Rave reviews, happy owners, good to drive and spacious for the dimensions.

The CX-3 was withdrawn from sale (new cars) late last year due to poor sales in the UK, and, I suspect, it may be a bit too small for the OP. Fine otherwise, if you're not too worried about interior or boot space (especially in the Sport models [reduced boot size due to ICE]).

A run-out model (second hand from 2019) might be worth a look - just stick to the good value 2.0 SA-G SE-L Nav versions shod on 16in rims and forget the Sport / 4WD models shod on 18in rims - firm ride, smaller boot (287L compared to 350L)

The CX-30 is a decent car (as is the CX-5, though perhaps on the larger side?) with a good-sized boot/interior, but it ain't cheap - barely any deals of note (at most 10% off via brokers), even at the moment, and the starting price is about £1k more than the equivalent spec Mazda3, at around the £26k mark for a mid-spec SA-X model (the better engine).

Other than the higher seating position (if that's what the OP prefers), the main benefits over the (essentially the same spec-wise) Mazda3 are the bigger boot compared to the hatch and the decent boot opening compared to the fastback. Other than that, the 3 will come in cheaper (especially via dealer offers/broker prices), handles better, and has better performance / mpg due to the lower, more sleek shape.

Despite this, I'll still be considering a CX-30 (and the 3) to replace my 14yo Mazda3 saloon when the time comes, because of those boot acccess issues.

Note to the OP that all the Mazdas will have the option of a TC auto box, which is far smoother than the CVT and more reliable than most DCTs, but at the cost of more performance and mpg (not terrible in the SA-X engined cars).

The Kia X-Ceed might also be worth a look (I like the exterior styling in particular), unless its too big (similar size to the CX-30). I'm less enthused by the looks or drive of the Stonic or Kona.

Small SUV-New - badbusdriver

Given you want a manual, any of the VAG trio, the VW T-Cross, Seat Arona, Skoda Kamiq. Also, the Kia Stonic (7year warranty) and Hyundai Kona. Maybe the new Ford Puma (a forum member has one and is, i believe, very happy with it). Suzuki Vitara is also very worthy of consideration. If comfort is a priority, you could consider the Citroen C3 Aircross.

This is the fastest growing sector of the market and is absolutely awash with choices!.

Small SUV-New - nellyjak

As above...wouldn't even consider the Nissans...you'd be better off looking at the likes of Kia/Hyundai.et al....or the Vitara.

Small SUV-New - thunderbird

We looked at the Stonic last year, what a truly ghastly car. Despite its high price the plastics inside should only be fitted in a basic budget supermini and the space is very limited in the rear seats. Don't think about adding a spare, the boot is tiny without one. The Rio hatch which it is based on had more rear seat space, a bigger boot and room for a spare. Had lost the will to live by then so no idea if plastics are better.

As for Nissan we have has a Pulsar for 2.5 years with no issues. The customer satisfaction reports at the time rated it lowly for reliability but when I dug deeper into the facts virtually every reported failure was the battery and all, with the exception of a couple, had been replaced under warranty. Having saved approx £6000 off list with discounts etc on a brand new motor I took the view I could afford one if it failed and the dealer said no warranty. So far its been fine, hopefully the bad batch had all been used before ours was manufacturered. But ours is the rare 1.6 petrol and the models affected may have used a different battery.

I would also consider the Skoda Karoq but I would need convincing that the 1.0 TSi110 PS that is magic in our Fabia is actually big enough for an SUV. You would need to get an extended test drive to be 100% certain it suits your needs.

But what about a small estate? The Fabia is available in that form and I can see no reason why the 1.0 TSi 110 PS should not be fine. Brand new you can get one for just over £14000 after discounts etc. And unlike many small SUV's (which are really just current fashion accessories) it has a truly impressive boot and decent interior space.

Small SUV-New - Trilogy.

Mazda would be my first port of call. CX-30 or CX-5, both fabulous vehicles. Also Kia for a Sportage.

Small SUV-New - Firmbutfair

Hi there Red25, I would advise that you consider a Hybrid small SUV such as a Hyundai Kona. I have owned both the original Hyundai i20 1.25 litre DOHC and am currently enjoying the even better i20 1.0 litre T-GDI hatchback, both of which have behaved faultlessly, so far, over a total of 80,000 miles. I think my next car will be a hybrid. You will find that hybrids, (not plug in hybrids) offer the best compromise between purchase price and 'real world driving' fuel economy and the Hyundai/Kia models are proving to be well above average for reliability and customer satisfaction.

Edited by Firmbutfair on 20/07/2020 at 08:55

Small SUV-New - KB.

Plenty of suggestions above.

Didn't see reference to either the forthcoming "Cross" versions of the Jazz and the Yaris. Both worth a look if the OP wants something in the small SUV style as well as the others mentioned.

I did see mention, above, that these, slightly higher riding, models are no more than a fashion accessory but if that's what people are buying then presumably they're buying them out of choice - no-one's forcing them to buy them. If people want a the higher stance, perhaps to ease entry and exit and/or improve vision a bit, then why not? My Yeti is a bit higher than most standard hatchbacks and I love the higher driving position - it's easy to get in and out of with painful knees. I'm not especially given to buying stuff just coz it's fashionable, chic or fancy so I'd disagree quite firmly that people buy them as a fashion accessory.

Small SUV-New - madf

New owner's impressions new Honda SUV..

https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=12223.0

Small SUV-New - John F

We also wanted a small SUV and narrowed it down to Audi Q2, Peugeot 2008, Seat Arona, Vauxhall Crossland and VW T-Cross. Apart from manual you don't list many priorities. We wanted automatic, reliability, low level rear loading with no boot lip, a general feeling of quality and, perhaps most important, VFM, thinking that quality is appreciated long after the price is forgotten - although that rather hackneyed quote is from a fashionista who successfully persuaded clients to spend lots of money!

Last year we went for the Peugeot with a panoramic roof, all season tyres and grip control and so far have been very pleased, although last winter wasn't much of a challenge.

Small SUV-New - Gibbo_Wirral

Another vote for the Kia. A couple of neighbours have them and been really pleased.

Small SUV-New - thunderbird

Another vote for the Kia. A couple of neighbours have them and been really pleased.

Strange that. After we had looked at the Kia I joined the Kia forum to ask what other people thought since we were disappointed with the car in several respects. People reacted to the post pretty quickly and the majority agreed especially those who had traded in their Venga for the supposed replacement.

I guess if you have come from a much smaller car it will seem OK, we were replacing the Mk 2 Focus and one thing about the Stonic hit us immediately, the wheelchair would simply not go easily into the boot. This was easily managed by the Focus (medium hatch) and its replacement the Fabia (small hatch).

Small SUV-New - badbusdriver

Another vote for the Kia. A couple of neighbours have them and been really pleased.

Strange that. After we had looked at the Kia I joined the Kia forum to ask what other people thought since we were disappointed with the car in several respects. People reacted to the post pretty quickly and the majority agreed especially those who had traded in their Venga for the supposed replacement.

I guess if you have come from a much smaller car it will seem OK, we were replacing the Mk 2 Focus and one thing about the Stonic hit us immediately, the wheelchair would simply not go easily into the boot. This was easily managed by the Focus (medium hatch) and its replacement the Fabia (small hatch).

Surely it isn't too much of a surprise that different folk like different things or have different priorities?. Some folk are obsessed with the quality of interior plastics, others, and i count myself among them, don't really care. As to the size, yes, the Stonic is a fairly compact car, but personally i really don't have a problem with that. If you need more space buy a bigger car!, i'm sick to death of small cars becoming big cars and big cars becoming enormous ones, and so on. There seems to be an ever decreasing amount of choice for folk who don't want, or need a bigger (wider) replacent for their current car. The Stonic is only too small (be that boot or cabin) if it offers less space than you need. Were i in the market for a car of this type, the only thing that would put me off the Stonic is the (going by what i have read) harsh ride. But i'd reserve judgement till after i'd had a test drive as our Jazz also (allegedly) has a 'too harsh' ride and i don't find it too bad (horses for courses again).

As to the Skoda Karoq, as the OP is looking at a Juke, i'd suggest the new Kamiq would be closer to his/her needs. But, regarding the 1.0 TSI's suitability in the Karoq, bear in mind it only weighs 1265kg, about the same as a 1.6 Focus (2nd gen). So while it isn't going to be the fastest car out there, it will be perfectly sufficient for most.

BTW, the Kamiq is about 100kg less.

Small SUV-New - Engineer Andy

I have the same reservations about the firm ride of the Stonic / Kona, but for me, not considering both was an easy decision - I think the Kona is not a great looking car, but has the better engine lineup (especially the zippy 1.6T-GDi), the Stonic is the better looking of the two but only has the much slower 1.0T-GDi.

I quite like the styling of the Fiesta Active (similar to the X-Ceed, I prefer the styling to the 'ordinary' car). I have no idea about it otherwise, given Ford's rep generally.

Small SUV-New - Terry W

I thought the phrase "the quality remains long after the price is forgotten" originated on a sign in the Rolls Royce or Bentley factories many decades ago!

Small SUV-New - Sulphur Man

Great insight on that forum. The mpg looks exceptional, considering the car is sub-10 0-62.

Small SUV-New - Red25

Thank you all, will have a look at the suggestions.

Just to add, was looking for the small SUV as my parents have mobility issues so they need to be able to get in & out easily. Also ideally a flat boot do that it's easier to get my bike in.

Small SUV-New - Dag Hammar

One car that never seems to get a mention is the Vauxhall Grandland X. It is no greater in length than many hatchbacks at 4477 mm. It has a decent size boot. The turbo 1.2 petrol is a delight with plenty of oomph. The seats are comfortable and you step sideways onto rather than down into the seats which makes it very accessible.

There aren’t many of these Grandland X’s on the road which is surprising. It is based upon the Peugeot 3008, might not look as stylish as the 3008 but because the VX is less stylish / popular the VX appears to be better value. Not without problems as a look on the Grandland X Forum will show but are there any newish cars out there that do not have a few niggles.

Edited by Dag Hammar on 20/07/2020 at 18:50

Small SUV-New - badbusdriver

One car that never seems to get a mention is the Vauxhall Grandland X. It is no greater in length than many hatchbacks at 4477 mm. It has a decent size boot. The turbo 1.2 petrol is a delight with plenty of oomph. The seats are comfortable and you step sideways onto rather than down into the seats which makes it very accessible.

There aren’t many of these Grandland X’s on the road which is surprising. It is based upon the Peugeot 3008, might not look as stylish as the 3008 but because the VX is less stylish / popular the VX appears to be better value. Not without problems as a look on the Grandland X Forum will show but are there any newish cars out there that do not have a few niggles.

You are quite right that the Grandland X is unfairly ignored in its class, and IMO, it is actually a very nice looking car.

However the OP is looking for a small SUV and while the Grandland X isn't huge, it certainly isn't small. If, by hatchback, you are talking about Golf sized cars, the Grandland is bigger (length and width) than all bar the Civic.

Small SUV-New - badbusdriver

Thank you all, will have a look at the suggestions.

Just to add, was looking for the small SUV as my parents have mobility issues so they need to be able to get in & out easily. Also ideally a flat boot do that it's easier to get my bike in.

You need to be careful here as it is not just seat height you need to consider. You also need to give thought to how far inboard (from the sills) the seats are. As SUV's are often 'overstyled' in terms of side surfacing, there may be more of a stretch to actually get bums on seats!.

Small SUV-New - Engineer Andy

Thank you all, will have a look at the suggestions.

Just to add, was looking for the small SUV as my parents have mobility issues so they need to be able to get in & out easily. Also ideally a flat boot do that it's easier to get my bike in.

You need to be careful here as it is not just seat height you need to consider. You also need to give thought to how far inboard (from the sills) the seats are. As SUV's are often 'overstyled' in terms of side surfacing, there may be more of a stretch to actually get bums on seats!.

As is the case with the Mazda CX-3. Other than the boot being larger, its the same size inside as the much smaller Mazda2. Often the mini-MPVs like the Crossland/Pug equivalent & Co make much better use of their interior space...at the expense of styling.

Small SUV-New - Graham567
The Ford Puma is WhatCar of the Year 2020 so must be well worth a look?
Small SUV-New - Avant

There's a smaller Vauxhall SUV called the Crossland. There's also the Mokka but - having never aspired to own a Vauxhall - I've no idea where that fits into the range.

I'd say the pick of the small SUVs would be the Puma, the Skoda Kamiq and the VW T-Cross. An Audi Q2 like mine is the next size up: its list price is high but PCP deals are good because it holds its value well.

I absolutely echo what BBD says about getting in and out. SWMBO has arthritic knees and the distance from seat to sill is a bigger factor than seat height.

Small SUV-New - Brit_in_Germany

We are looking for a similar size car and the Renault Captur is on our list, priced up to include the 5 year guarantee.

Small SUV-New - thunderbird

You need to be careful here as it is not just seat height you need to consider. You also need to give thought to how far inboard (from the sills) the seats are.

Back about 2007 M & D were looking for a new motor and the Fusion, Jazz and Note both topped the list since they were taller and were favourites with older less able people.

All 3 failed.

Mum liked the Fusion but dad found it too big, and since he was the only driver that mattered.

Once in the Jazz mum was unable to get out due to the slope of the seat cushion. There was no height adjustment and despite the salesman suggestion of cushions they walked.

The Note seemed good until mum tried to get in. As described above she was unable to get her backside far enough onto the seat without risking falling, we nearly had an issue in the showroom.

But going to the Nissan showroom did have a positive. The Micra proved absolutely perfect for her and dad liked it as well.

Small SUV-New - John F

There's a smaller Vauxhall SUV called the Crossland. There's also the Mokka but - having never aspired to own a Vauxhall - I've no idea where that fits into the range.

The Crossland (421cm long) is based on the Peugeot 2008 (416 cm long) and shares powertrains.

An Audi Q2 like mine is the next size up:

No, the Q2 is similar sized - 419cm long, and was on our shortlist of small SUVs. Next size up is Audi Q3, Peugeot 3008, Vx Grandland, Citroen C4, etc.......between 445 and 450cm

Small SUV-New - 72 dudes

The Crossland (421cm long) is based on the Peugeot 2008 (416 cm long) and shares powertrains.

An Audi Q2 like mine is the next size up:

No, the Q2 is similar sized - 419cm long, and was on our shortlist of small SUVs. Next size up is Audi Q3, Peugeot 3008, Vx Grandland, Citroen C4, etc.......between 445 and 450cm

Agreed, I know you like your Q2 Avant, but its essentially a posher verion of the T Cross, Arona and Kamiq! In fact the T-Roc and Crossland are bigger.

Small SUV-New - Avant

It doesn't matter very much: although the T-Cross, Arona and Kamiq are said by the magazines to be Polo-based, and the Q2, T-Roc, Ateca and Karoq to be Golf-based, actually they all share the VW group platform called MQB, which I think stands for a very long single word in German.

Small SUV-New - RT

It doesn't matter very much: although the T-Cross, Arona and Kamiq are said by the magazines to be Polo-based, and the Q2, T-Roc, Ateca and Karoq to be Golf-based, actually they all share the VW group platform called MQB, which I think stands for a very long single word in German.

MQB > Modularer Querbaukasten > "Modular Transversal Toolkit" or "Modular Transverse Matrix".

It's now everything VW from Polo to Arteon, so just excludes Up!, Touareg, Transporter and ID models

Small SUV-New - thunderbird

It's now everything VW from Polo to Arteon, so just excludes Up!, Touareg, Transporter and ID models

Just read that and found it hard to believe that everthing VAG pretty much was built on the same platform when models such as the Skoda Superb are way bigger than a Skoda Fabia.

Then I found this:

"MQB is not a platform as such, but, rather, a system for introducing rationality to different platforms that have transverse engines, regardless of the ten body configurations the company manufactures for any of its eleven vehicle brands. Thus MQB coordinates a core "matrix" of components across a wide variety of platforms — for example, sharing a common engine-mounting core for all drivetrains (e.g., gasoline, diesel, natural gas, hybrid and purely electric), as well as reducing weight. The concept allows different models to be manufactured at the same plant, further saving cost"

Now that makes more sense (except the 11 vehicle brands bit).

Edited by thunderbird on 22/07/2020 at 16:00

Small SUV-New - RT

It's now everything VW from Polo to Arteon, so just excludes Up!, Touareg, Transporter and ID models

Just read that and found it hard to believe that everthing VAG pretty much was built on the same platform when models such as the Skoda Superb are way bigger than a Skoda Fabia.

Then I found this:

"MQB is not a platform as such, but, rather, a system for introducing rationality to different platforms that have transverse engines, regardless of the ten body configurations the company manufactures for any of its eleven vehicle brands. Thus MQB coordinates a core "matrix" of components across a wide variety of platforms — for example, sharing a common engine-mounting core for all drivetrains (e.g., gasoline, diesel, natural gas, hybrid and purely electric), as well as reducing weight. The concept allows different models to be manufactured at the same plant, further saving cost"

Now that makes more sense (except the 11 vehicle brands bit).

The modular concept allows the wheelbase and track to be varied to cover a wide range of vehicle sizes - I think the biggest MQB car is the VW Atlas for North America, effectively an even longer version of the Allspace which is a LWB version of the Tiguan.

MQB is used by VW, Seat, Skoda and Audi - the MLB is a similar modular system with a longitudinal engine which is used by Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini, Porsche and VW

Edited by RT on 22/07/2020 at 16:35

Small SUV-New - mcb100
The ‘11 brands’ is a strange one in that Ducati, MAN, or Scania are unlikely to need the platform.
Small SUV-New - Zippy123

Makes sense. Why have 10 different engine mounts, gear boxes, light connectors etc.

I guess it's also why some Audi owners find Skoda badged engines in their cars.

Small SUV-New - RT

Makes sense. Why have 10 different engine mounts, gear boxes, light connectors etc.

I guess it's also why some Audi owners find Skoda badged engines in their cars.

If you research what gets made where, it really is a jumble of brands - my VW Touareg was build in a Skoda factory, on a floorpan that started life as a Porsche and fitted with an Audi diesel engine.

Small SUV-New - Metropolis.
British Leyland anyone?!
Small SUV-New - RT
British Leyland anyone?!

Or how not to do it.

Small SUV-New - alan1302

Now that makes more sense (except the 11 vehicle brands bit).

Audi/Lamborghini/Bentley/Bugatti/Porsche/Jetta (China brand)/MAN/Scania/Seat/Skoda/VW

Assuming it's those

Small SUV-New - mcb100
I think you take Jetta out, and put Ducati in.
Small SUV-New - Mmarsh1972

I am in a very similar situation, I have a 2012 Honda Jazz at looking at a subcompact SUV (used I think).

Happy to compare notes.

I was at the Honda Dealership today actually, the Honda HR-V ticketed a lot of boxes. With what I am looking for, plus its a Honda they are built for reliability. I think its my top choice with a Peugeot 3008 (but thats because used ones are cheap, I dont think that applies to you if you want a new car).

Quick word about the Nissan Juke...Its pretty cramped in the back. I am 6"2 and boy I was so uncomfortable the Nissan Dealer took pity on me and suggested I consider the Qashqai instead. Its not made for people my size or my 6"9 Brother in Law. So if you have big passengers...skip the Juke, your legs will thank you.

I like the Qashqai (although its abit dated design) but some people have complained about Nissan's reliability, I won't make a judgement since I never owned one but I will say you rarely hear those types of complaints about Toyota or Honda. I was with an elderly couple looking to trade their old Jazz to a brand new one Hybride. Honda users stay loyal.

Small SUV-New - Red25

Thank you, I'll have a look at the Honda. My M&D have a Jazz but are now starting to struggle getting in & out.

Although not really an SUV my friend has a Kia Niro, Him & his wife are both tall & find it comfortable.

I liked the Toyota C-HR but for the price it didn't really tick all the boxes I wanted it to. I wish they had an updated version of the Auris but It's been replaced by the Corolla which is quite low down. Toyota also seem to be heading towards more Hybrid / electric cars.