But at the end of the day it's a very crowded little island and there seem to be rather too many cars on it!
Pavement parking has become endemic over the last ten years or so, and it will be pretty hard to persuade habitual parkers to change their habits - assuming reasonable alternatives are available. Enforcement is another question.
We have a recurrent problem with pavement parkers who regularly leave large vans near our only exit onto a main A-road, so that we cannot see in either direction. Our local CPSO has been consulted, and says the only effective solution would be double-yellows, a highways matter, not police.
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We have a recurrent problem with pavement parkers who regularly leave large vans near our only exit onto a main A-road, so that we cannot see in either direction. Our local CPSO has been consulted, and says the only effective solution would be double-yellows, a highways matter, not police.
Suggest a letter and email (can't be denied) to ''named senior'' persons at highways, council and police in your area, highlighting the dangers and possibility of serious accident leading to loss of life.
Speaking to these people is deniable and they do as plastic bobby has, pass the buck,, writing to them puts them in the firing line if and when your warnings bare fruit, they do not want to be answering a coroner's awkward questions especially if a child is involved where they failed to act after being warned.
I've done this for things that needed pointing out, once the at risk has been put on their desk it normally results in action.
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The Scottish Government is ahead here as they have already passed legislation which is awaiting being enacted. However, it does allow for local authorities to apply for exemptions such as the street where I live - an Edwardian one with a narrow roadway (if 2 cars parked opposite on the roadway no car would get down the middle between) but very wide pavements {even with a car 1/2 on, still over 2m wide for pedestrian usage}.
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However, it does allow for local authorities to apply for exemptions such as the street where I live - an Edwardian one with a narrow roadway (if 2 cars parked opposite on the roadway no car would get down the middle between) but very wide pavements {even with a car 1/2 on, still over 2m wide for pedestrian usage}.
I think that's how it works in London and is proposed to work for rest of England. At present pavement parking is permitted unless signs are exhibited to prohibit it. In future it will be prohibited unless signs are exhibited to permit it.
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It's actually more of an issue for you as Scotland is ahead on this ... However, local authorities can apply for exemptions for areas under certain guidelines.
I wasn't aware of this Heidfirst.
I'm not sure exactly how old my street is, but my next door neighbour, who's house is the 'other half' of mine, has a stone above his door into which is inscribed "1880", so certainly older than that. The pavements (unfortunately) are not that wide, hence why i am very careful just to put the width of the tyre on it. Also, where i put my van, there is a short section of dropped kerb (previous occupant was an old guy with a mobility scooter so i'm guessing he had that done), the rest of the pavement on our side is, well not massive, but taller than you'd want to be bumping up on every time you come and go. Irritatingly, the kerb on the other side is a good couple of inches lower, but the occupants don't seem inclined to take advantage of this to make it easier to get up and down the street, especially for the bin lorry which is a bit of a squeeze!.
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www.transport.gov.scot/our-approach/transport-scot.../
Should come into enforceable law 2021.
Edited by Heidfirst on 14/03/2020 at 16:17
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We've seen plenty of TV stuff showing densely-parked streets with just enough central gap for one line of normal traffic - but not enough for emergency vehicles. Then who grumbles when there's a fire or a medical emergency ?
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It is another area where it is an issue for some but not for most. Laws already exist to enforce penalties against this 'offence'. In reality if the traffic runs smoothly and the pavement is still usable to pedestrians then it is ignored or accepted. I live in a cul-de-sac and without parking vehicle on the pavement no traffic would get through. Especially not fire engines, ambulances etc. We have a drive, some don't or can't afford to arrange their frontage to take a vehicle. There are parking spaces for about 10 cars at the entrance to the road, but of course that would mean actually walking about 50 to 100 metres. A feat which seems beyond some. Some even drive their little darlings to the village school, which must be at least a 300 metre walk!! Then of course parking does become an issue for 15 minutes or so. In general with the amount of vehicles per household it has to be acceptable to park safely even if using the pavement. This of course applies to areas where this is possible. Horses for courses. Common sense. (what's that you cry!!)
Cheers Concrete
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It is another area where it is an issue for some but not for most. Laws already exist to enforce penalties against this 'offence'. In reality if the traffic runs smoothly and the pavement is still usable to pedestrians then it is ignored or accepted. I live in a cul-de-sac and without parking vehicle on the pavement no traffic would get through. Especially not fire engines, ambulances etc. We have a drive, some don't or can't afford to arrange their frontage to take a vehicle. There are parking spaces for about 10 cars at the entrance to the road, but of course that would mean actually walking about 50 to 100 metres. A feat which seems beyond some. Some even drive their little darlings to the village school, which must be at least a 300 metre walk!! Then of course parking does become an issue for 15 minutes or so. In general with the amount of vehicles per household it has to be acceptable to park safely even if using the pavement. This of course applies to areas where this is possible. Horses for courses. Common sense. (what's that you cry!!)
Cheers Concrete
Exactly. I was saying much the same on the comment thread below the article on the HJ site. This issue won't be solved by just saying 'No' - it'll need a lot of work in many other policy areas at many levels to resolve this, and won't be fixed in 5 minutes either. Decades more likely.
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Well, i thought our street was bad, turns out not even close!. Today i had to go down to Glasgow to move the youngest offspring from college halls of residence, to a private flat where he is going to be renting a room. The street was just horrendous, very narrow with cars parked nose to taill on the pavement on both sides. No doubt i saw it at its worst, being a Sunday morning, most residents would have been at home, but goodness me that was an eye opener!. No way would it be feasable to stop folk parking on the pavement there!!!.
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Unfortunately those making the laws have probably never even visited such a place BBD if they have it would be by special arrangement after the old bill have coned off half the streets and they've been swept and repaired, they have no idea how the real working class live nor how they have to muddle through as best they can, the law makers live in a comparative utopia.
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No way would it be feasable to stop folk parking on the pavement there!!!.
Oh, it will be if they enforce it (I live in an event controlled zone & on ievent days it is patrolled). The question is where are those cars then decanted to ...?
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No way would it be feasable to stop folk parking on the pavement there!!!.
Oh, it will be if they enforce it (I live in an event controlled zone & on ievent days it is patrolled). The question is where are those cars then decanted to ...?
Exactly my point (on the news report elsewhere on the website). More examples of no joined-up thinking. All it'll do is push the problems onto others.
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We Iive at the end of a very quiet residential cul de sac. If you can picture a capital T, our house is above the cross, looking out down the length of the upright bit. We have driveway parking, but when visitors park in the road outside our house, many park half on the pavement. There are 4 houses across the top of the T, we all have cars, but there are very few comings and goings in the course of a day and the road is not at all narrow. And yet people feel they need to be half off the road, presumably out of misplaced consideration for us residents.
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Neighbour's daughter passed her test 3 weeks ago. Was given a Corsa by grand-parents. 1 week after passing her test, she gets told off by police for driving on to and parking on pavement and warned that if she does it again she'll be booked using the photo evidence they've of of the first offence.
And another neighbour always parks half on the pavement, completely blocking a woman who has to wheel her 8 year old heavily disabled child up the hill. She has to stop, go on to the road, and climb up to the junction where the kerb is lowered.
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.... the road is not at all narrow. And yet people feel they need to be half off the road, presumably out of misplaced consideration for us residents.
Or perhaps they give a thought to the less common arrivals such as emergency vehicles, delivery wagons and the like ? It's not always just residents' cars.
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