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Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - focussed

Shortly to be available in Europe, it's EU rules homologated as it is classed as an autocycle and can be driven on an "A" licence so avoids the car homologation rules.

Front wheel drive , 4 cylinder GM turbo 165 hp- an auto box that can be left in manual and used as a sequential box - 0-60 in 4.5 seconds - 140 MPH top wack

A welded aluminium "tub " chassis etc.

It looks well thought out and put together, I would like to see one in the flesh though.

There is an importer in Belgium if anyone is desperate to get hold of one.

It looks good fun but there's only the problem of the price - about £30K.

https://vanderhallusa.com/autocycle/

Jay Leno on the Vanderhall with the designer/builder Steve Hall- https://vanderhallusa.com/

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - badbusdriver

Shortly to be available in Europe, it's EU rules homologated as it is classed as an autocycle and can be driven on an "A" licence so avoids the car homologation rules.

Front wheel drive , 4 cylinder GM turbo 165 hp- an auto box that can be left in manual and used as a sequential box - 0-60 in 4.5 seconds - 140 MPH top wack

A welded aluminium "tub " chassis etc.

It looks well thought out and put together, I would like to see one in the flesh though.

There is an importer in Belgium if anyone is desperate to get hold of one.

It looks good fun but there's only the problem of the price - about £30K.

https://vanderhallusa.com/autocycle/

Jay Leno on the Vanderhall with the designer/builder Steve Hall- https://vanderhallusa.com/

Its OK, but TBH, i'd rather have the Morgan. Or if i wanted a more radical looking 3 wheeler, the polaris Slingshot (which has been on the go since 2014).

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - focussed

Both the Morgan and the Polaris are rear wheel drive with the accompanying 90 degree bevel box and either toothed belt for the Polaris or chain drive for the Morgan. There have been problems with the d*****ine of the Morgan coping with the TV of the S & S vee-twin.

What puts me off the Morgan is the skinny wire spoked wheels.

This Vanderhall offering seems clever to me as it offers a straight proven power unit and d*****ine from GM. The rear wheel just stops the back dragging on the ground and is somewhere to put the parking brake.

Owen Greenwood did the original development work on FWD three wheelers in the 1960's!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpeCfkniFz0

( HJ's electronic nanny seems to have a problem with the word drive-line when it's one word)

Edited by focussed on 01/09/2019 at 15:54

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - badbusdriver

What puts me off the Morgan is the skinny wire spoked wheels.

That is one of the things that attrack me to it, the fact that you can have fun at low speeds, especially on a wet road!.

But going back to your comment about the price of the Vanderhall, that does not seem too bad at all to me, for that type of car with that level of performance. The closest equivalent Cateham, the 360 (4.8 0-60) is listed on Caterhams website as being "from £29,990". The Morgan 3 wheeler is around £40k and it is slower if, arguably, cooler(!). The Polaris on the other hand, seems to be a bit of a bargain by comparison, being available (in the UK) from £22,999. And while no performance figures are published, it has 173bhp 2.4 4 cyl (166lb/ft of torque @ 4700rpm). It does weigh 789kg which is certainly heavier than other cars like that, but still should be suitably brisk for a car with so little weather protection!.

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - focussed

A bit of a blooper when I wrote that the Morgan 3 wheeler has a chain drive - it has a toothed belt drive, this owner found that his didn't survive for long.

He engineered a chain and sprocket conversion.

http://www.bleazey.co.uk/M3W.html#reason

See what I mean about a tried and tested FWD engine/transmission package?

Edited by focussed on 02/09/2019 at 00:01

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - Leif
He looks like a Morgan owner!

That Vanderhall looks lovely, but very impractical, with no boot space. I guess if I was stinking rich I’d have placed an order already.
Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - bathtub tom
Owen Greenwood did the original development work on FWD three wheelers in the 1960's!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpeCfkniFz0

I remember the Owen-Greenwood special and the furore it created. Seeing it perform with the passenger sitting upright with his arms folded, after it had been put at the back of the grid, probably didn't help their cause.

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - craig-pd130

Part of me likes it, but whenever I see that type of vehicle (Polaris, trikes etc) I can't help thinking that they're too compromised, with none of the advantages of a bike.

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - badbusdriver

Part of me likes it, but whenever I see that type of vehicle (Polaris, trikes etc) I can't help thinking that they're too compromised, with none of the advantages of a bike.

I guess that depends on what you consider the advantages of a bike to be?. If it is to cut between lanes of stationary traffic, then obviously you won't be able to do that on a trike. But if it is to experience the feeling of being exposed, the wind rushing past, the heightened sensation of speed, then there are no real drawbacks. Plus the fact that there is no possibility of dropping it(!), and the fact that your passenger alongside not behind you.

I'm also guessing that this type of machine is going to have great appeal to bikers who, for whatever reason (accident, illness), can no longer use a motorbike.

Looking at the Jay Leno clip, there was mention of the Can Am Spyder, and while i have seen one or two in the past, i'd kind of forgotten about them, so visited their website. Particularly impressed by the Ryker, it has a real pugnacious look about it and prices start under £9k. No, with 47bhp it is not going to be that fast compared to the likes of the Vanderhall, or possibly even the Slingshot, but it only weighs around 280kg, so i'm sure it would be plenty fast enough for me!.

uk.brp.com/on-road/

Edited by badbusdriver on 02/09/2019 at 11:01

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - focussed

One of the members of our Brittany bike club had a test ride out on a Can-Am Spyder from a dealer, and said it was like driving a ride-on lawn mower!

The nearest Polaris Slingshot dealer to me is Caen which is about 300 km away so that's not on.

I would like to see a video of this Vanderhall on a track to see what happens handling wise when it's being seriously abused to the point of chronic understeer and what happens next!

I have seen a test video of the Ryker and it can be two-wheeled easily before the stability control cuts the power - scary!

Edited by focussed on 02/09/2019 at 11:32

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - badbusdriver

One of the members of our Brittany bike club had a test ride out on a Can-Am Spyder from a dealer, and said it was like driving a ride-on lawn mower!

Yeah, i guess i'm not too surprised by this, a biker not being impressed. A biker, especially a long term, or dedicated biker, is probably not going to take to something like the Can Am, or any of the other 3 wheeled options. But from my point of view, as a 'non-biker', it offers most of the appeal of a motorbike with the added (aforementioned) benefit of not being able to drop it. Obviously on the Can Am, your passenger will be behind you, just like a 2 wheeled bike. As for caning it on a track, or on the road, that isn't something i would do, so not really a concern how it behaves in the extreme.

Just watched a YouTube video from a guy who bought a Can Am Spyder and was offering up his opinons after a year with it. He absolutely loves it and has no regrets whatsoever. Different strokes for different folks, etc, etc!.

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - focussed

The accepted wisdom on the Can-Am Spyder is that car drivers love them as a sort of safe way into "biking" if that makes sense, but serious bikers don't take to them.

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - badbusdriver

Owen Greenwood did the original development work on FWD three wheelers in the 1960's!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpeCfkniFz0

That may well be the case, but FWD 3 wheelers had been around a long time by the 60's. There was a very interesting article in the June edition of The Automobile, on the development of the BSA 3 wheeler. This went on sale in 1929.

www.bsafwdc.org/bsapic/011-zal.jpg

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

I saw a BSA competing at the Curborough sprint circuit. It fell over gently on a tight corner, despite having a chunk of metal ballast, in a large toolbox?, between the front wheels. Its centre of gravity looked a bit higher than a Morgan 3 wheeler.

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - badbusdriver

I saw a BSA competing at the Curborough sprint circuit. It fell over gently on a tight corner, despite having a chunk of metal ballast, in a large toolbox?, between the front wheels. Its centre of gravity looked a bit higher than a Morgan 3 wheeler.

Yeah, reading the article, it does seem that , despite the extra stability usually afforded by 2 wheelers having two at the front, the BSA wasn't that stable!. In fact in the letters page in the following months The Autocar, there is a letter from someone who's friend asked him to deliver a BSA from Manchester to Norwich. During the course of the trip, the car spun round and tipped over!. The car was duly pushed back onto its wheels and carried on with no further incident!.

Put me in mind of a story i heard from a guy i worked with many years ago. he had been a travelling salesman, and had been on a road somewhere North of Inverness, following a Reliant Robin, on a very windy day. At one particularly exposed place, the Reliant was simply blown off the road and ended up on its roof in a field!. A few cars stopped to help, they got the elderly driver out, who says, "Its always doing that on windy days!". Between them, they then got the car back on its wheels and on the road, whereupon the driver carried on!.

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - badbusdriver

I remember back when i went through a phase of being interested in kit cars, being intrigued by a single seat 3 wheeler based on the (series one) Renault 5. Called the Free Spirit, it had a rather different look to the (2CV based) Lomax 223 which clearly took insperation from the Morgan.

Here is the Kindred Spirit,

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And the Lomax,

4.bp.blogspot.com/-2hLciTKL43A/UmdiRFQJl1I/AAAAAAA...g

I also vaguely remember a partcularly bizarre Mini based kit car with 3 wheels. I have tried to find pics to no avail, and i can't remember what it was called, but i do remember you sat astride it like a motorbike (and yes, i think it had handlebars)!. Anyone shed any light on what it is i'm trying to remember?

Vanderhall Venice. - Something for the weekend Sir? - badbusdriver

I also vaguely remember a partcularly bizarre Mini based kit car with 3 wheels. I have tried to find pics to no avail, and i can't remember what it was called, but i do remember you sat astride it like a motorbike (and yes, i think it had handlebars)!. Anyone shed any light on what it is i'm trying to remember?

Found it myself, it was caled the Stimson Scorcher(!), but it did have a steering wheel. Mental looking thing, with a tuned 1275 engine this would probably be terrifying!. Wonder how many they sold?

i.pinimg.com/originals/1e/ab/c8/1eabc8b476174814ce...g