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Thu 4 Jul 2019 12:19

Jaguar XF - 2016 Jaguar XF 2.0D 180 Reliability v 2009 XF 2.7D - hatman

I've owned my 09 XF 2.7D Premium Luxury since nearly new and have enjoyed totally trouble free motoring. I've never had any problems and have only ever needed to change the tyres, brakes and oil. With nearly 80k miles it still drives like new. However, I'm aware the car is getting on now, it's by far the oldest car I've ever run and arguably I'm sitting on a timebomb in that inevitably it's almost bound to play up at some stage as it gets older and older.

I'm therefore considering a 2016/17 XF 2.0D 180. That said, I'm a bit concerned about swapping my trouble free car for one with potential problems. I read in today's Autocar that the new shape XF is the lowest ranked car of its class in reliability surveys and that were many recalls including oil leaks, engine cut outs, cracked sills etc.

Is the XF 180 a reliable car and is there anything I should check for? I'm planning to buy an ex lease 40 - 50k miler at auction so won't have a warranty.

I was initially concerned about the smoothness of the 4 cylinder engine too - is it as smooth as the 6 cylinder 2.7? I've been toying with the idea of one of the last 2014 3 litre old shape XFs.

In a nutshell, do XF 180 owners think I should change my trusty old 2.7 for one? Or would I be better off getting a last of the line 3.0?

Thanks in advance

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Thu 4 Jul 2019 13:03

Jaguar XF - 2016 Jaguar XF 2.0D 180 Reliability v 2009 XF 2.7D - SLO76

I’d either keep what you have or buy a good used 3.0 either from a good dealer with a full Jaguar main dealer history. The only XF with a genuine reputation for reliability used the Ford V6 motor but this was rare and quite thirsty. The diesels including you own 2.7 are pretty notorious for issues as they age but much depends on the quality of maintenance. Don’t buy if you intend on scrimping here.

I’d be VERY wary of buying such a complex car at auction. You can’t test drive it beforehand and any number of potentially ruinous faults could be lurking waiting to bite. The best ex fleet examples go direct to main dealers via closed auctions or prearranged deals. Cars which don’t meet the standard go to general sales. Remember also that there’s usually no comeback and the fees have risen substantially in recent years for private buyers so auctions are no longer the bargain hunters paradise they once were.

The latest 2.0 diesels are also developing a reputation for problems so again buying an early example with 50k or show up at auction is a recipe for disaster.

How about a hybrid Lexus instead? They’ve so much confidence in their product that they’ll stock cars on their approved used scheme with well over 70,000 miles up, something you won’t see at a Jaguar dealer.

Edited by SLO76 on 04/07/2019 at 13:11

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Thu 4 Jul 2019 13:16

Jaguar XF - 2016 Jaguar XF 2.0D 180 Reliability v 2009 XF 2.7D - Avant

I think Jaguars are one of those makes which are vulnerable to abuse and neglect. You've looked after yours and it's looked after you. Any used car you buy has the unknown factor - did the previous owner drive it considerately?

That 2.0 diesel is a rough old nail compared with your 2.7. And in any case with your moderate mileage you don't need a diesel. If I were you I'd keep the one you have until you see an expensive repair looming, then perhaps as SLO suggests go for a Lexus.

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Thu 4 Jul 2019 13:05

Jaguar XF - 2016 Jaguar XF 2.0D 180 Reliability v 2009 XF 2.7D - badbusdriver

Tricky one to answer without having owned either. As someone who reads a lot of motoring magazines, while the motoring press do lke the XF in terms of how it rides and handles, they rate it below par for interior fit and fininsh compared to its German rivals. I have also read plenty of criticism of the 4 cyl diesel, not so much regarding its performance, but its refinement or lack of. This could be a big stumbling block coming from your 6 cyl car. With that in mind, regardless of any other concerns forum members come up with, you'd really need to spend a decent amount of time on a long test drive to see how you find it. As for problems, here is a link to the good/bad section of the review on this website,

www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/jaguar/xf-2015/good/

Also, i have read plenty on here about the lack of reliability of the 2.7D in your current car, so i am a little surprised to hear you have had no problems. Though having said that, as with any cars with questionable reliability reputations, there will inevitably be a few which perform faultlessly. I just hope if you do go for another, you have a similar experience!.

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Thu 4 Jul 2019 19:15

Jaguar XF - 2016 Jaguar XF 2.0D 180 Reliability v 2009 XF 2.7D - Miniman777

About 12-18months ago, I was seriously looking a a Jag (both E and F Pace) with the 2.0D engine. After test drives, while nice with a fair amount of poke and nice to drive, the constant grumbles on forums about oil dilution, DPF issues and other niggly problems led me to bypass Jaguar - even as an former employee.

Reassessing, I test drove a BMW 330D and then three months later a G01 model X3 with the 3.0D straight six - which I bought. The smoothness and performance was in a different class, and the Jag plan was dropped. 8,000 miles in 9 months, and I dont regret the decision, with the ZF autobox it's an effortless drive.

I feel the OP wants to remain loyal to Jaguar (and nowt wrong with that), but would question whether that is wise and can he fund repairs out of warranty when unreliability rears its head with the 2.0 engine? Not even the JLR (Ford) 3 litre engines are immune from problems. Just saying...

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Thu 4 Jul 2019 20:48

Jaguar XF - 2016 Jaguar XF 2.0D 180 Reliability v 2009 XF 2.7D - Brit_in_Germany

I wouldn't bother with your post on the xfforum by the way - the only people who post there are the moderator who is anti-Jaguar because when the XE was brought out he couldn't buy one with a petrol Ingenium engine; an American who plugs his Tesla stock and another guy who would appear to have been sacked by Jaguar and sees it as his duty to bring the company to its knees. The site jaginfo.org is more likely to give a balanced view.

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Mon 15 Jul 2019 17:36

Jaguar XF - 2016 Jaguar XF 2.0D 180 Reliability v 2009 XF 2.7D - Vincent_

The new XF is very nice, but I had bad experience with the diesel (Ad Blue issue). Suspected ad blue sensor failure, turned out to be something else...took 22 days to fix.

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Tue 16 Jul 2019 17:37

Jaguar XF - 2016 Jaguar XF 2.0D 180 Reliability v 2009 XF 2.7D - RaineMan

Your car has served you well and I suspect it could double the mileage if maintained by the book. In your position I would keep it!

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