I help run a multi franchise dealerships, we have both Hyundai and Toyota, and without a doubt, the Yaris is in a different league entirely in terms of reliability. Hope that helps.
And what are the reliability problems affecting Hyundai's?. I very much doubt any of them are relating to a n/a petrol i10 or i20.
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I can't say too much, but all I will say is that Toyota's build quality is much better. However to get the same spec Toyota Yaris as say a top spec I10, you would need to spend quite a bit more of your hard earned monies. I can only say it as I see it.
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"I help run a multi franchise dealerships, we have both Hyundai and Toyota, and without a doubt, the Yaris is in a different league entirely in terms of reliability."
We have a 2015 i20, and it hasn't missed a beat since we've owned it from new - no warranty repairs, just routine servicing.
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I help run a multi franchise dealerships, we have both Hyundai and Toyota, and without a doubt, the Yaris is in a different league entirely in terms of reliability. Hope that helps.
Without more details that statement is worthless. It could simply mean that they have had 100 warranty claims on Toyota' s and 200 warranty claims on Hyundai's appearing to make the Toyota twice as reliable. But what if they had sold 3 times as many Hyundai's.
More info needed.
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Skidpan, just STOP IT.
Yokel38 works for a dealer, and it's very useful to have his inside knowledge, although clearly he can't say too much, or give exact numbers, as he needs to retain hs franchises!
Give him the credit for enough intelligence to have made his comment 'in proportion' and don't call someone's post 'worthless'.
We've all had enough of your rudeness, very often triggered by someone daring to disagree with you.
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Skidpan, just STOP IT.
Yokel38 works for a dealer, and it's very useful to have his inside knowledge, although clearly he can't say too much, or give exact numbers, as he needs to retain hs franchises!
Give him the credit for enough intelligence to have made his comment 'in proportion' and don't call someone's post 'worthless'.
We've all had enough of your rudeness, very often triggered by someone daring to disagree with you.
lol,thanks Avant, i just ignore him, and posters on here should to, could lead to an expensive mistake, however, if people would prefer to take advice from an armchair warrior instead of someone with 35 years experience of managing franchised workshops then that's up to them Avant.
Edited by yokel38 on 06/06/2019 at 10:48
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Skidpan, just STOP IT.
Yokel38 works for a dealer, and it's very useful to have his inside knowledge, although clearly he can't say too much, or give exact numbers, as he needs to retain hs franchises!
Give him the credit for enough intelligence to have made his comment 'in proportion' and don't call someone's post 'worthless'.
We've all had enough of your rudeness, very often triggered by someone daring to disagree with you.
lol,thanks Avant, i just ignore him, and posters on here should to, could lead to an expensive mistake, however, if people would prefer to take advice from an armchair warrior instead of someone with 35 years experience of managing franchised workshops then that's up to them Avant.
With all respect Avant and yokel, while i disagree with some of what skidpan says, and a lot of how he says it, in this case, his comments are valid, and i agree with him. Personally, i would have used the term 'meaningless' as opposed to 'worthless', but the jist is the same. This is why i asked if any of the problems yokel was referring to was specifically about either the Hyundai i10 or i20 fitted with a n/a petrol engine. Without any clarification, what does yokel's comments mean?. Hyundai make a very diverse range of cars now, diesel, petrol, hybrid and full electric of all different shapes and sizes. They also now use mostly DCT gearboxes instead of t/c auto for their most common cars. So without any clarification of which models, engine/gearbox combinations etc. the comments refer to, they are not really of any help to someone thinking about buying a Hyundai. And i'm not sure i buy this, "i can't say anymore than that". Unless your name actually is yokel38, how would any comments you make be traced back to you?. FiestaOwner's (timely) post on the Hyundai i20 is genuinely useful, because in it he describes a specific problem which appears to affect both the i10 and i20, and the less than impressive efforts of Hyndai to rectify the issue on his car.
I'm not suggesting Toyota's are less reliable than Hyundai's, but, specifically in the case of the yaris vs the i10 or i20, are they really so superior that they are, 'in an entirely different league'?. Hyundai built their position through relatively simple, straightforward cars which excelled in reliability and value for money. Obviously, since those early days, their cars are somewhat more sophisticated (and expensive), but some of them are still quite simple. What i mean is that while i would happily accept the possibility of issues on something specific, like a DCT gearbox or a particular engine, i find it difficult to accept that 'all Hyundai's' are so much worse than 'all toyota's'.
Looking at owners reviews suggests that FiestaOwners problem is an exception rather than typical. On Autotrader, owners reviews for the current shape i10 and i20 ('14-'18) score them 4.5 and 4.7 respectively out of 5, compared to 4.6 out of 5 for the Yaris. Wouldn't the gap between the Yaris and the two Hyundai's be larger if the Yaris was so much better?.
And going back to skidpan, while a lot of what he says could be at least borderline offensive, i don't recall ever reading a post of his that could lead someone to make an expensive mistake, so really not sure what that comment is referring to?.
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are they really so superior that they are, 'in an entirely different league'?
...Build quality wise, yes they are in my honest opinion. I'm not suggesting in any way Hyundai's are rubbish, as they most certainly are not, they have come a long long way since the Pony of the 80's/90's, they aspire to be another Toyota, but they are not quite there yet. As i said, this is my honest professional opinion, but I'm not forcing anyone to listen to it.
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“..Build quality wise, yes they are in my honest opinion. I'm not suggesting in any way Hyundai's are rubbish, as they most certainly are not, they have come a long long way since the Pony of the 80's/90's, they aspire to be another Toyota, but they are not quite there yet. As i said, this is my honest professional opinion, but I'm not forcing anyone to listen to it.”
I share the same opinion. Good though Kia and Hyundai are today, they’re not quite up to the quality or Toyota or driving dynamics of Mazda. The trade still view them as white goods and hammer them once the warranty is gone.
I’ve always found them hard work to sell and make a profit from as typical used Korean buyers are buying on price alone while someone seeking a good older Jap wants reliability over anything else and is prepared to pay more.
Edited by SLO76 on 06/06/2019 at 15:06
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