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Kicking and screaming into the modern world :-)
Yes i get the monthly reports showing me where i've been, good job i'm not up to anything dodgy.
No doubt in relationships where distrust is rife, personal or business, these things could be used for all sorts of purposes, i'm used to being tracked at work because all our lorries have trackers, but a personal tracking device (yes i know i could turn location service off, but does it continue letting the google spy network know on the qt?) does concern me a little about where we are going to end up.
I know there are enough brainwashed souls who buy into the ''if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about'' propaganda, blindly offering succour to those who yearn for the fully surveilled state, so it's probably only a matter of time before they get their wish and the chip becomes an opt out implant.
One thing, among many, i don't know...is it my phone being tracked or my sim card, ie if the phone was lost and found by someone who immediately removed the sim card, would the tracking device still work, or would it no longer be visible to me from another device, yet remain visible to google or someone like the old bill assuming the bill and google are best mates...not as the old bill would be remotely interested in a stolen phone (nor much else Peel'ish these days) but could they still track it if the person holding it was of enough interest?
Edited by gordonbennet on 10/02/2019 at 09:25
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Because of the nature of my job (and life in general!), i am very rarely ever going somewhere i haven't been many, many times before. so the 'location' part of my phone is of little use. In fact the last time i used it was Dec 2017 when i was on my way south to pick up my new van from Blackburn. I was using it on the Megabus to check where we were in relation to where we should have been at the time, so i could estimate how late i was going to arrive at the garage. It was touch and go, being the last day they were open before Christmas and my eventual arrival time was after 4.30pm!.
I did consider getting one of those myself GB, but having had smart phones (on contract) of ever increasing size for the last few years, and since i was opting out of that in favour of buying a phone and getting a sim only deal, i decided to go for something a bit smaller (Sony Xperia Z5 compact).
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I did consider getting one of those myself GB, but having had smart phones (on contract) of ever increasing size for the last few years, and since i was opting out of that in favour of buying a phone and getting a sim only deal, i decided to go for something a bit smaller (Sony Xperia Z5 compact).
Yes i bought mine and have a sim only deal, it is indeed a lump of a phone, but i almost never use it for phone calls unless linked through my bluetooth headset.
I opted for one of these after SWMBO dropped her iphone down the loo, it immediately died.
Always thought i'd stay with my steam powered phones, pushing button A to connect :-), but now having discovered how handy voice activated calls and voice text messaging can be, i'm beginning to get me head round how it all works, no doubt i shall only use a fraction of what it's capable of.
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Kicking and screaming into the modern world :-)
Yes i get the monthly reports showing me where i've been, good job i'm not up to anything dodgy.
No doubt in relationships where distrust is rife, personal or business, these things could be used for all sorts of purposes, i'm used to being tracked at work because all our lorries have trackers, but a personal tracking device (yes i know i could turn location service off, but does it continue letting the google spy network know on the qt?) does concern me a little about where we are going to end up.
I know there are enough brainwashed souls who buy into the ''if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about'' propaganda, blindly offering succour to those who yearn for the fully surveilled state, so it's probably only a matter of time before they get their wish and the chip becomes an opt out implant.
One thing, among many, i don't know...is it my phone being tracked or my sim card, ie if the phone was lost and found by someone who immediately removed the sim card, would the tracking device still work, or would it no longer be visible to me from another device, yet remain visible to google or someone like the old bill assuming the bill and google are best mates...not as the old bill would be remotely interested in a stolen phone (nor much else Peel'ish these days) but could they still track it if the person holding it was of enough interest?
You need a trackable phone for it to work otherwise in an emergency they triangulate where you are between towers working on strength of signal, they could if they put the sim in another phone, trace your signal, and as for tracking having to be switched on, as far as I know from other people, google do it regardless which is easily done if the internet is used
To put it simply if a phone has tracking capability then it wont matter if the phone is changed as the sim and phone work together (someone correct if wrong)?
I think Apple phones now use a software sim so that cannot happen very easily...
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, as far as I know from other people, google do it regardless which is easily done if the internet is used
This does not surprise me, i have Firefox on the phone as well as at home (Duck Duck Go as homepage/search) and as i get more used to the phone will gradually disable and remove as much google stuff as possible, a bit at a time so if the phone starts to play up i can work out what needs to be activated again...i'm in early days here.
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Sadly you won't be able to remove the Google bloatware. I have a Motorola G4 (I think) which has standard Android, but I can't remove the a number of Google apps which serve me no purpose, such as games, films, tv, music etc.
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Sadly you won't be able to remove the Google bloatware. I have a Motorola G4 (I think) which has standard Android, but I can't remove the a number of Google apps which serve me no purpose, such as games, films, tv, music etc.
That too doesn't surprise me.
We've been out for a bite this afternoon, handily for any clever hacker/burglers the phone asked us for recommendations of the hotel next door to the Harvester we met up with daughter and partner.
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You can disable the recommendation/review requests. Very annoying.
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Sadly you won't be able to remove the Google bloatware. I have a Motorola G4 (I think) which has standard Android, but I can't remove the a number of Google apps which serve me no purpose, such as games, films, tv, music etc.
That too doesn't surprise me.
We've been out for a bite this afternoon, handily for any clever hacker/burglers the phone asked us for recommendations of the hotel next door to the Harvester we met up with daughter and partner.
you might not be able to delete these programs, but If you make up a separate folder you can drag and drop all programs you don't need into it and move the folder onto a page you don't use, its out of sight then without getting in your way...
ps the hacking is usually done through Bluetooth when switched on as its short range and easier to hack into just don't use it to store credit card no.
Edited by bolt on 11/02/2019 at 07:35
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I'll have a fiddle about re those suggestions, thankyou ChrisM and Bolt.
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I'll have a fiddle about re those suggestions, thankyou ChrisM and Bolt.
If you go to 'settings' and open 'apps' from the list, you may find you can 'disable' a lot of the rubbish that is listed there.
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I'll have a fiddle about re those suggestions, thankyou ChrisM and Bolt.
If you go to 'settings' and open 'apps' from the list, you may find you can 'disable' a lot of the rubbish that is listed there.
that's worth a try, only reason I didn't suggest that was certain bloatware runs as part of the system, so can cause a slow down in performance which is why most people suggest as I did
if the above causes problems and its not possible to make another folder, just drag and drop programs to a single page and forget them, but do try the above it might work?
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I suppose the benefits of modern technology can be like a double edged sword. However if you are a normal, decent person going about your lawful business what harm is there in being tracked when carrying your mobile. You never know when it comes in handy. But if you are up to no good, then things can be tricky. We issued our site supervisors with i phones when they first appeared. This allowed them to photograph problems and provide good information to our technical chaps in the office. It also provided the Operations Manager with the facility to track the phones. There were some interesting conservations over the next few weeks as to the whereabouts of people! A word in several ears was had and they all behaved properly from then on. Spying? Maybe, but we were paying them to be on site or to inform us if they were not. QED.
Cheers Concrete
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If, as individuals, we want to benefit from traffic data on Google Maps, it's probably reasonable that we contribute by being tracked ourselves.
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you might not be able to delete these programs, but If you make up a separate folder you can drag and drop all programs you don't need into it and move the folder onto a page you don't use, its out of sight then without getting in your way...
That's not the point. These unwanted apps aren't in the way, but it would be useful to be able to physically remove them to free up space on the phone. It's not particularly needed, but I find it irritating that I can't remove apps that I don't want.
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Thanks for the suggestions folks, i'll be trying those as i have the week off, yippee.
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you might not be able to delete these programs, but If you make up a separate folder you can drag and drop all programs you don't need into it and move the folder onto a page you don't use, its out of sight then without getting in your way...
That's not the point. These unwanted apps aren't in the way, but it would be useful to be able to physically remove them to free up space on the phone. It's not particularly needed, but I find it irritating that I can't remove apps that I don't want.
I don't know anyone that is not irritated by this, including me, but until google makes it possible to delete these all you can do it make them disappear from view, we`ll have to wait and see what the next version does, the google Pixel may already have done it?
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you might not be able to delete these programs, but If you make up a separate folder you can drag and drop all programs you don't need into it and move the folder onto a page you don't use, its out of sight then without getting in your way...
That's not the point. These unwanted apps aren't in the way, but it would be useful to be able to physically remove them to free up space on the phone. It's not particularly needed, but I find it irritating that I can't remove apps that I don't want.
I don't know anyone that is not irritated by this, including me, but until google makes it possible to delete these all you can do it make them disappear from view, we`ll have to wait and see what the next version does, the google Pixel may already have done it?
It IS possible to delete this stuff, BUT it involves 'rooting' the phone. (There are a few YouTube videos on how to do this). This MAY cause serious problems with the phone, so not recommended unless you are an expert, know what you are doing and know the risks.
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you might not be able to delete these programs, but If you make up a separate folder you can drag and drop all programs you don't need into it and move the folder onto a page you don't use, its out of sight then without getting in your way...
That's not the point. These unwanted apps aren't in the way, but it would be useful to be able to physically remove them to free up space on the phone. It's not particularly needed, but I find it irritating that I can't remove apps that I don't want.
I don't know anyone that is not irritated by this, including me, but until google makes it possible to delete these all you can do it make them disappear from view, we`ll have to wait and see what the next version does, the google Pixel may already have done it?
It IS possible to delete this stuff, BUT it involves 'rooting' the phone. (There are a few YouTube videos on how to do this). This MAY cause serious problems with the phone, so not recommended unless you are an expert, know what you are doing and know the risks.
I didn't mention the rooting for that reason, but with the memory modern phones have now installed and can be increased using micro sd card its hardly worth worrying about, and moving programs to a page you wont even notice they are there.
my main gripe with these programs is the tracking they do and advertising they attract but switching off in system seems good enough until you get updates which turns them back on again, sometimes anyway!
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I don't know anyone that is not irritated by this, including me, but until google makes it possible to delete these all you can do it make them disappear from view, we`ll have to wait and see what the next version does, the google Pixel may already have done it?
No, same on the Pixel - Google are keen on you using their apps so unlikely to let you remove them
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