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BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - brinewcastle

Hi, I drove 141 miles into Scotland from England on more-or-less clear roads last week. According to the consumption and distance covered I achieved 64 mpg! I am amazed at that figure - I used stop-start and eco mode and used Shell v-power fuel and cruise control wherever practical. I also used drift where safe..

The return journey involved busier, wet, roads so consumption was just over 50 mpg,

I verified the connected drive app figures by refilling as soon as I returned and working out the total number of litres used.

I can hardly believe these figures. Can anyone better them on a 320i?

To be honest, sport mode is much more satisfying, but I am pretty impressed anyway :)

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - John F

Hi, I drove 141 miles into Scotland from England on more-or-less clear roads last week. According to the consumption and distance covered I achieved 64 mpg! I am amazed at that figure - I used stop-start and eco mode and used Shell v-power fuel and cruise control wherever practical. I also used drift where safe..

The return journey involved busier, wet, roads so consumption was just over 50 mpg,

Quite believable - it's downhill.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - brinewcastle

Nice. That explains it haha.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - badbusdriver

It is actually uphill going to Scotland from England, surely everybody knows this?!.

Re cruise control, it is unlikely using this would increase your mpg, if anything it would reduce it as the system would rigidly enforce your chosen speed. In order to maximise economy you should ideally keep the same throttle pressure, letting the speed drift down (within reason) going uphill.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - Andrew-T

Re cruise control, it is unlikely using this would increase your mpg, if anything it would reduce it as the system would rigidly enforce your chosen speed.

I remember hiring a Canadian camper-van with a 7.5-litre engine about 30 years ago, setting its cruise control to 55mph, then watching it try to maintain speed on some bits of hilly road. Even that massive engine couldn't do it, and I hate to think what the mpg figure was.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - galileo

I presume these mpg readings are from the dashboard display? Or are they verified by fill-up records?

Dash display mpg are usually a bit optimistic, as are speedometers and odometers.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - brinewcastle

The mpg figures came from the bmw connected drive app. I also verified them by noting the number of litres needed to fill the tank. i.e. I started with a full tank, did the journey, then filled up again to a full tank.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - Ethan Edwards

Badbusdriver...

And if he has active cruise control that wouldn't apply. Also when you lift off don't up to date injection systems stop pumping fuel into the engine and send it back down the return line to the tank?

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 31/10/2018 at 13:22

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - Engineer Andy

If it was the ED version (according to the Real mpg section) it should average about 40mpg, which is as good as my older Mazda3 N/A 1.6 petrol - the 'official' mpg for the Beemer for extra urban is over 50, so in theory, given perfect conditions, your consumption could be achieved.

If you are using the trip computer as the guide, then it might be out by up to 10% though - they normally over-estimate. Still, 45mpg is still very good, and as much as I've ever got out of my car even tootling along at 60mph for long distances/smooth driving in general.

You're right though - why pootle along when you have the 'ultimate driving machine' at your fingertips? At least it's good to know that it can be sensible when you want it to be. To be fair as well, your car is probably one of those that takes full advantage of the higher octane fuels (unlike mine), which can boost performance and/or mpg (driving style dependent!) by a reasonable amount. You do pay a premium (easily 10%, sometimes 15% compared to the Ron95 from the cheapest supermarkets) for that fuel to get that boost.

Still very good though.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - brinewcastle

Thanks for the interesting reply. I thought long and hard about paying the extra premium for the fuel but came to the conclusion that, as I don't do a high mileage, it was worth doing because I read somewhere that it helps keep the injectors clean.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - Redcar01

I have same car apart from mine is xdrive and i get 33mph on a motorway at 70 , not great but i like the car

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - skidpan

Hi, I drove 141 miles into Scotland from England on more-or-less clear roads last week. According to the consumption and distance covered I achieved 64 mpg! I am amazed at that figure - I used stop-start and eco mode and used Shell v-power fuel and cruise control wherever practical.

Sorry but I simply don't believe you.

Some years ago I had a BMW 120i as a loan car whilst my 118D was waiting for a new battery (warranty). Had it from Friday through to late Monday and did probably 200 miles over the weekend. Nice car but the mpg was poor, it averaged about 34 mpg. Compare that to the 47 mpg I was getting from the 118D and you will see why I say poor.

HJ's real mpg for the 120i is 34 mpg, exactly what I managed. HJ's real mpg for a 320i is 33 mpg 1/2 of what you claim which is why I question your accuracy.

On our twice a year trip to Scotland our most economical car has been the Golf TDi. Over the wek it would manage a true 57 mpg but on the long run it would be nearer 60 mpg. There is no way on this planet a 320i would beat that.

As for "I used stop-start" that is irrelevant on a drive on "clear roads" since you don't stop.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - brinewcastle

The reason I posted this was because I didn't believe it either and was wanting to see if anyone else has had a similar experience. There were a few short road work stops on the way during which I used start-stop. I drifted wherever possible and was as light-footed as possible.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - Andrew-T

Looks as if someone put some of that magic snake oil in while your back was turned ....

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - galileo

Older members may recall the Mobil Economy Runs which were run every year. Back in the 1960s there would be class winners achieving about 50 mpg in 2.6 litre Ford Zephyrs. (Best I could get in mine was 29 mpg)

I read that for the Economy Runs they replaced oils with thinner grades, ran tyres at higher pressures and various other mods, not sure how much of that is true, or whether coasting downhill was allowed.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - badbusdriver

Older members may recall the Mobil Economy Runs which were run every year. Back in the 1960s there would be class winners achieving about 50 mpg in 2.6 litre Ford Zephyrs. (Best I could get in mine was 29 mpg)

I read that for the Economy Runs they replaced oils with thinner grades, ran tyres at higher pressures and various other mods, not sure how much of that is true, or whether coasting downhill was allowed.

Not sure if was the same thing, but i do remember reading about the Daihatsu Charade turbo diesel (the style sold from '83-'87) managing something like 102mpg doing some kind of economy run. Impressive little car for the time with a similar power output to a n/a petrol of that era, 48bhp if memory serves. There was also a n/a 1.0 diesel which i think had just under 40bhp.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - bazza

I also question the accuracy, even my 1.9 tdi octavia could only just achieve 60mpg true under perfect conditions, still one of the most efficient engines made . I can just about coax 52 odd out of my petrol 1.8 civic under ideal conditions, again a very efficient engine, that normally averages about 47mpg . I believe the tsi units can achieve about 50 to 55mpg, in the lighter vehicles again state of the art engines . I do think there's some experimental error there and guess your true economy is about 50mpg .

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - skidpan

even my 1.9 tdi octavia could only just achieve 60mpg true under perfect conditions, still one of the most efficient engines made

The same engine I referred to in my original post. The dash would report 63 mpg on a run but when checked with pen and paper the truth was actually 60 mpg. Then I discovered the odometer over-read by about 5% which further reduced the mpg to nearer 57 mpg, 6 mpg less than the dash display.

Since discovering the odometer error I have always checked them against the Garmin on a long run (Garmin was spot on over a long M1 trip using the roadside posts). Basically both Fords were spot on, the BMW over-read by about 2% and the Superb is spot on. The Seat actually under-read by 1% and the real oddity was the Kia Ceed, that under-read by about 4%.

When I quote mpg figures on this or another site I always use calculated ones corrected for odometer errors.

Going back to the Golfs reported 63 mpg on a Scottish trip, on the same trip the Kia Ceed SW would report about 54 mpg, what would appear to be a disappointing 9 mpg less. But when calculated and corrected for odometer error as noted above the Golf would be 57 mpg whereas the Kia would be about 56 mpg. Considering that the Ceed SW was a bigger more powerful car with loads of kit the 1 mpg difference shows just how good it could be when compared to one of the best of all time.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - Heidfirst

the op doesn't state at what speed he was going. There can be a remarkable difference depending upon whether e.g. 55mph or 70 (+)...

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - skidpan

the op doesn't state at what speed he was going.

The OP does not state what model/age the car is either (but I suspect recent since they mention the "connect drive app").

But even at a walking pace I doubt anyone could get over 60 mpg.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - misar

Leaving aside an allowance for the system's "optimism" I do believe the OP's figure. Long ago I had a manual V6 Mondeo which Ford put together without any concern for good mpg. Around town or when driving "enthusiastically" the mpg was horrendous but driving gently on a long trip gave a masssive improvement (obviously not to 60 mpg).

It is easy to overlook that a powerful car like an M-Sport barely needs to draw breathe when driving gently at 60 or 70 on the open road. Lesser machines (petrol or diesel) on the other hand may be working hard to keep up, especially on any incline. Hence relative expectations based on the standard mpg figures may be turned on their heads.

Edited by misar on 03/11/2018 at 22:10

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - Heidfirst

Can't claim to know the 320i M-sport personally. However, my last car (2012 Avensis 2.2 Touring Sport) averaged ~ 42mpg over it's life with me (& which fits in pretty well with HJ Real MPG for it) but on a couple of occasions under the right conditions it did long trips well into the 70s mpg (beyond it's NEDC figures). As I am not the lightest footed driver somebody else possibly could have broken 80.

Impossible or improbable?

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - SLO76
Owned an E46 and E90 with this engine and neither could get close to this figure. I also doubt your accuracy either that or you’ve missed the d out on your model description. A 320d M-sport would do what you’re claiming with a light right foot but you’d be in the Guinness book of records if you managed it in a petrol.
BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - Happy Blue!

Two points on this topic.

1. Using cruise control may only help economy a little, but using speed limiter really works. If you set the car to a maximum of say 75mph and let the car do its own thing whilst keeping the pedal in roughly the same position means the car takes advantage of the downward bits to improve economy without speeding up and you can regulate the acceleration up a hill to maintain speed,

2. A single motorway journey of say 120 miles with minimal off motorway driving could very easily produce 64mpg in many cars. My E350CDi, is a large, heavy estate car and whilst diesel makes the economy bearable, regular urban driving produces nothing better than 30mpg on average.

My most recent long trip of 711 miles on one tank of fuel equated to 43.3mpg. Much of this was spent at a speed limiter maximum of about 73mph (according to GPS), but signifcant portions were urban driving, or country roads with lots of speeding up and slowing down which affects economy. I know that 73mph on a flat motorway for ten miles will easily give me 60mpg - so why not a 2.0 BMW with Efficient Dynamics?

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - gordonbennet

Older cruise controls were rather poor for fuel economy, full throttle used to keep the speed if necessary.

A good driver will always beat the computers at fuel economy because puter cannot see or plan ahead what is actually happening on the road, (though in some cases with the new lorries which ''know'' the topography up to 3km ahead) a good driver will share the control of the vehicle together with modern cruise to get the best of both worlds.

As for claimed figures, it is possible to get some amazing figures if you know how to get the best from your vehicle at the lowest suitable revs and throttle opening, to make use of hills and overrun in the highest gear, and if you treat your brakes as only able to be operated in the event of an emergency.

It helps if you keep the speed down, once you get above 60mph you start to shift increasing amounts of air and tyre friction increases too.

You only have to look at a vehicle's front wheels to see how many drivers haven't the foggiest idea about economical, or vehicle sympathetic, driving, caked in thick brake dust after only a few miles.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - skidpan

Can't claim to know the 320i M-sport personally. However, my last car (2012 Avensis 2.2 Touring Sport) averaged ~ 42mpg over it's life with me (& which fits in pretty well with HJ Real MPG for it)

An Avensis 2,2 is a diesel and should do that, the OP is talking about a petrol car.

Owned an E46 and E90 with this engine and neither could get close to this figure. I also doubt your accuracy either that or you’ve missed the d out on your model description. A 320d M-sport would do what you’re claiming with a light right foot but you’d be in the Guinness book of records if you managed it in a petrol.

From my personal experience with a 118D (a lighter car than any 3 series) you would never get over 60 mpg unless you drove at stupidly dangerous slow speeds which would annoy all other road users.

Looking back at my records from the 118D the best mpg I ever achieved in that car was a trip to Thurock (to pick up a gearbox) via the M1 and M25 early one Saturday morning (little traffic) and returning via the M25, A11, A14 and A1 (picking up tyres at Peterborough), decent traffic, a round trip of about 400 miles. The mpg for the trip was about 57 mpg. No cruise control on the car and just me in it plus the gearbox and 4 tyres on the way back.

When I talk about figures I have managed in the past I have been driving at as close to the speed limits as traffic would allow safely and overtaking when safe to do so.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - SLO76
“From my personal experience with a 118D (a lighter car than any 3 series) you would never get over 60 mpg unless you drove at stupidly dangerous slow speeds which would annoy all other road users.”

To be fair I’ve never tried one over any distance so couldn’t be sure but our less aerodynamic and heavier CRV could break 60mpg on a run with care but without being ridiculous about it and the Avensis 1.8 petrol just returned 51.8mpg on a shopping expedition to Glasgow. I haven’t verified the accuracy of the computer yet but even assuming a certain amount of optimism on its part that’s still very decent on such a large car. I don’t drive hard but I do tend to sit on or near the limit on motorways and dual carriageways. Around town it’s nowhere near this figure though.
BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - skidpan

CRV could break 60mpg on a run with care but without being ridiculous about it and the Avensis 1.8 petrol just returned 51.8mpg on a shopping expedition to Glasgow.

I don't know if these are round trip figures but if they are one direction i.e. into Glasgow they are meaningless.

Take my old commute in the 1.4 TSi Leon. The dash would show 60 mpg on a regular basis for my 15 mile run into work but the trip home would be in the mid 40's on a good day. Used to take about 30 minutes each way and the only holdup I would encounter (on virtually every trip) was crossing the M1 junction.

So why the difference in the two journeys. Obviously weather makes a difference but in truth I never took much notice unless it snowed. As I said traffic was pretty consistent so nothing there. The major factor was elevation. We used to live at 600 ft above sea level and the office was only 100 ft above sea level. So it was pretty much downhill all the way there and uphill all the way home.

Since Glasgow is a port on the Clyde I think its fair to assume its close to sea level. If you live at a decent height your trip would have the advantage my commute into work had.

Another example, went into Derbyshire to visit the Longshaw estate, a National Trust property. From there we went down to Baslow, about 5 miles. The elevation difference is about 750 feet. When we got to Baslow I was totally p155ed off, the display in the Leon had just gone over 190 mpg, was hoping to get 200 (in truth I think it went to - - - if it did that.

So without telling any fibs I could say that the Leon regularly did 60 mpg on my way to work and over 190 mpg on a Derbyshire day out. But since they would be totally meaningless I don't, I only quote figures that other people could hope to match in their life over a decent period.

BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - SLO76
“I don't know if these are round trip figures but if they are one direction i.e. into Glasgow they are meaningless.”

My figures are for the full round trip. Though I disagree that one directional figures would be irrelevant, yes if it were all downhill or the opposite but the trip from my home into Glasgow takes in plenty of variety to make it relevant. There is a marginal decline in economy on the return but it is small. It was a clear day with light traffic so there was no stop/start driving involved which would’ve twisted the result. I’ll get round to checking the accuracy of the computer but I believe HJ was right when this model was tested when they say it offers near diesel economy. I’m quite happy with figures like this on an older car.
BMW 320i M-sport - BMW 320i pertol incredible mpg - skidpan

I know that 73mph on a flat motorway for ten miles will easily give me 60mpg - so why not a 2.0 BMW with Efficient Dynamics?

Simple answer, your is a diesel and as you say 60 mpg in those conditions should be possible. But the OP's 2.0 BMW is a petrol which would make it impossible.