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Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - oldroverboy.

From the HJ article.

"Aside from the fact that petrol and diesel in the UK are subject to some of the highest levels of taxation anywhere in Europe"

Misleading or what? It isn't JUST the taxation that matters, it is also the fuel staion margins.

See the price of a litre of unleaded in the rest of europe!

Edited by oldroverboy. on 12/09/2018 at 15:54

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

I've not driven abroad in EU for a while, but my impressions are that fuel prices vary between countries and in France diesel is cheaper than UK , while petrol is approximately the same.

The AA fuel price site tends to lag behind the actualite, and gives an average price, rather than the supermarche prices.

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - focussed

Where I am in NW France diesel is €1.445/litre = about £1.30/litre and SP 95 Unleaded is €1.555/litre = about £1.40/litre depending on what rate you are getting your euros at.

These are supermarket prices in towns not autoroute or private garages out in the sticks which are usually €0.10 or more dearer.

In the UK www.petrolprices.com/ is reporting UL at £1.313 and diesel at £1.342 as average prices so spare a thought for us poor expats as you fill up with cheaper UL!

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - TheGentlemanThug

I've never driven in Europe, but I was always under the impression that the UK was only slightly above average regarding the total cost of unleaded petrol.

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - Benet

For some up to date news, as I was driving in Europe for much of August, , I can tell you petrol in the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany is quite a bit dearer than the UK now. It doesn't get as cheap as the UK until you get to Poland. Of course that's probably to do with the current weakness of the pound

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - Mike H

I live in Austria, and here diesel is currently around €1.28 per litre. Until a few months ago it was around €1.10. Diesel has always been cheaper than petrol, which IIRC is about 5c dearer. Fuel here has been among the cheapest in Europe for some years. Luxembourg is the only country I know of where it's cheaper.

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - 72 dudes

I live in Austria, and here diesel is currently around €1.28 per litre. Until a few months ago it was around €1.10. Diesel has always been cheaper than petrol, which IIRC is about 5c dearer. Fuel here has been among the cheapest in Europe for some years. Luxembourg is the only country I know of where it's cheaper.

Just got back yesterday from a week in Zell am See. The hire car was diesel and I managed to fill up at a price of 1.224 Euros per litre (£1.12) at the cheaper Jet station a few miles south of Zell.

However, near the tourist hotspots and most of Salzburg the price was like Mike H says, with petrol at least 4c more.

Also noticed how the price changes slightly by the day.

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - madf

From the HJ article.

"Aside from the fact that petrol and diesel in the UK are subject to some of the highest levels of taxation anywhere in Europe"

Misleading or what? It isn't JUST the taxation that matters, it is also the fuel staion margins.

See the price of a litre of unleaded in the rest of europe!

Rubbish. Totally wrong.

See www.racfoundation.org/data/eu-petrol-tax-proportio...l

Edited by madf on 12/09/2018 at 18:46

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - John F

Cheapest fuel in my son's local (Californian) Walmart is $3.55 per (US) gallon, which is less than a dollar a litre. Ho hum.

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - craig-pd130

See www.racfoundation.org/data/eu-petrol-tax-proportio...l

Indeed - at the average town / city forecourt, the margins for the filling station owner are very slim. You only really see higher margins at motorway services, presumably because of the urgency factor, and also because of the higher rents charged by the service station's owners.

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - skidpan

Does it really matter what the amount of fuel duty is? You have to pay it, its not optional.

Just fill your tank and drive in the UK or abroad.

If taxes worry you so much stop paying all the idiot taxes that so many people seem to think will make them millions. There would be a huge outcry if taxes increased by, for instance, £10 a week for all perons in the UK yet many quite happilly waste more than this every week.

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - daveyjp

Exaclty skidpan - the UK tax take has been 35-40% of GDP for many years. Changing fuel duties in any way shape or form won't change this. What is ,lost somewhere is found somwehere else. If we want a large 0% income tax threshold there has to be revenue generated from spending that untaxed income.

Incidentally, even with petrol cheaper than Pepsi, the US figure is 31%.

Edited by daveyjp on 13/09/2018 at 16:25

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - carl233

"Aside from the fact that petrol and diesel in the UK are subject to some of the highest levels of taxation anywhere in Europe"

And using a large engine petrol car is still typically cheaper than the walk on fares on the public subsidised UK rail network! Whilst fuel is way overpriced in the UK so is public transport.... It sums up the sad state of the country....

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - Ethan Edwards

Driving in Texas this May - about 50p a litre. Come home and it's approaching triple that. I only wish I could have brought a few thousand gallons home in my hand luggage.

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - madf

You want an NHS: you have to pay for it.

You want a state pension. You have to pay for it.

You want socila services.. Ditto

ettc

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - Bromptonaut

The bottom line is that, using current exchange rates as a marker, prices of petrol and diesel in this country are broadly similar to those in comparable European economies such as France, Germany or Holland. Bearing in mind crude oil is priced in Dollars and that refining/ distribution costs vary from state to state other comparisons may produce different results.

Walk on fares for railway, not all of which is subsidised, might sometimes cost more than the fuel only cost of a trip by car. In reality though there are fares on the railway, albeit perhaps needing research and planning, way cheaper than walk on peak rates. Car travel OTOH has add on costs above fuel only, not all of which are fixed irrespective of mileage, particularly but not only parking.

Cost my employer £60.50 in rail fares for me to attend a service development seminar in London last Friday. Could have driven it on perhaps £25 worth of diesel (approx 140 miles return) but add congestion charge, parking and wear/tear and £60.50 looks a bargain.

If I'd driven I could have claimed 45p/mile at HMRC approved rates (which are hardly generous) so £63 to which parking and congestion charges would be add ons.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 13/09/2018 at 21:06

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - carl233

Cost my employer £60.50 in rail fares for me to attend a service development seminar in London last Friday. Could have driven it on perhaps £25 worth of diesel (approx 140 miles return) but add congestion charge, parking and wear/tear and £60.50 looks a bargain.

Try using the trian in other world cities such as Dubai or Sydney specifically in Sydney it is advertised that the train is far cheaper than the car and it is! The UK is being ripped off at all transport levels.

State pension age rising all whilst the conditioned people scratch their heads and ask what is going on, a well informed population would be taking the government to task rail fares are around 105% since BR days and the subsidery has increased!

This spitting image video predicted correctly what would happen before the railways were sold off. How right it all was: www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwuZtjcPOeA

How gullible the public are....

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - madf

Cost my employer £60.50 in rail fares for me to attend a service development seminar in London last Friday. Could have driven it on perhaps £25 worth of diesel (approx 140 miles return) but add congestion charge, parking and wear/tear and £60.50 looks a bargain.

Try using the trian in other world cities such as Dubai or Sydney specifically in Sydney it is advertised that the train is far cheaper than the car and it is! The UK is being ripped off at all transport levels.

State pension age rising all whilst the conditioned people scratch their heads and ask what is going on, a well informed population would be taking the government to task rail fares are around 105% since BR days and the subsidery has increased!

This spitting image video predicted correctly what would happen before the railways were sold off. How right it all was: www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwuZtjcPOeA

How gullible the public are....

A man who does not believe in Climate Change appears to believe money grows on trees.(The fct that teh population is growing older and the NHS/Social Care/pesnion system needs loadsof money to cope appears to have passed by on teh other side of teh road.

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - barney100

Had a weekend in Budapest, got on a bus at the airport and bought the tickets from the machine, sat on the bus and the driver in good English asked if we were pensioners. Yes says I, he informed us that all public transport in Budapest is free as long we we are in the EU.

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - Benet

If taxes worry you so much stop paying all the idiot taxes

Ah,the lottery, yes. The envelope passed around at work that peopel are 'guilted' into contributing to. I've been cheerfully *not* part of that particular club for around 10 years and my colleagues have not yet struck it rich.

Edited by Benet on 14/09/2018 at 08:05

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - skidpan

I've been cheerfully *not* part of that particular club for around 10 years and my colleagues have not yet struck it rich.

I think the UK lottery started in 1994, seem to remember it was about the same time as the company I worked for closed its doors. Both were the work of our wonderous Prime Minister John Major.

That is 24 years and if I had "wisely" invested £10 a week for that period I would have gifted the taxman over £12000.

I suppose I could have been lucky and won millions but I prefer to think I am £12000 in profit.

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - FP

"I think the UK lottery started in 1994, seem to remember it was about the same time as the company I worked for closed its doors. Both were the work of our wonderous Prime Minister John Major."

It was licensed in 1993, but effectively started functioning in 1994. Major’s predecessor, Margaret Thatcher, to her credit, was implacably opposed to the idea of a national lottery. The shop-keeper’s daughter thought there was something obscene about people being rewarded simply because they were lucky.

Part of the reason the concept took off was the promise to donate part of the profits to "good causes". That always struck me as being close to immoral; people who might have reservations about buying a ticket because it was like gambling could soothe their consciences by telling themselves it was all in a good cause.

And some of the recipients have been questionable - like the £340,000 grant that went to an asylum-seeker's anti-deportation group.

I always felt that, if these good causes were important, why weren't they being funded with government money? What kind of moral sleight-of-hand made it OK effectively to take an extra tax on the purchase of lottery tickets and make money out of people’s gambling impulses?

Then there was the issue of the fat-cat salaries paid to the directors of Camelot, the firm running the Lottery.

I won’t go into the many stories of the winners whose lives were ruined by the money, but the biggest winner of all has been the Treasury, which has raked in billions in tax. This is separate from the even more billions that have gone to "good causes".

I’m probably going to make myself unpopular here, but I loathe and despise the National Lottery.

Edited by FP on 14/09/2018 at 12:52

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - Manatee

I’m probably going to make myself unpopular here, but I loathe and despise the National Lottery.

A tax on gullibility.

It is, for all practical purposes, impossible to win the jackpot which is the only way to come out ahead if you play on a regular basis.

People take issue when I point this out, and say that dozens win the jackpot every year. I say that hundreds are killed on the roads in the same period, but they don't eagerly look forward to it being them this week, even though it is statistically more likely for a single ticket.

Humans aren't evolved to deal with probability in any intuitive way. Instinct is that there are two possibilities, winning or losing, and that makes it more or less evens. The rational part says that losing is far more likely, but people's hopes and expectations suggest they perceive that the odds are much better than they really are.

Cost per litre? - Fuel Duty - carl233

A man who does not believe in Climate Change appears to believe money grows on trees.(The fct that teh population is growing older and the NHS/Social Care/pesnion system needs loadsof money to cope appears to have passed by on teh other side of teh road.

Spending on systems which are not efficient is not the way forward, have a look how much money Virgin Care have made from NHS contracts, they are doing it for profit not to help people! As the NHS is being sold off and private companies are making big bucks from it expect funding to increase so that the boys club behind many of the companies can make a fast buck at the expense of the gullible public.

The public have been had for sure with many services being sold off through the backdoor, I cannot believe that more questions are not asked RE the state of the railways in this country, it is almost beyond being gullible.