I have just emptied my tank on the car and decided for the first time in my life, I filled her up with the high octane unleaded premium fuel. Only costing me £6 more for a full tank! I was just wondering if all the rumours are true? Better economy? Better performance? Does anyone know the facts and whether it's best for me to continue using the premium expensive fuel? Thanks in advance!
Like Craig, I too saw the 5th Gear report/test (its available on You Tube BTW) on the difference between standard 95Ron unleaded petrol (from both supermarkets and branded filling stations) and super 97/98Ron unleaded petrol from the branded stations.
My analysis of their results:
- The used a (at the time of the show) a brand new Golf GTi as the sole car for the test, which in my eyes skewed it a lot. Yes, the super fuels did achieve a noticeable, but not huge increase, and a lot less in percentage terms than the extra money they cost. What seemed to be more noticeable was that the car 'felt' better when driving with the super UL fuels, with greater responsiveness throughout the rev range.
- What they didn't do was test the other two types of car that would be worthwhile, namely 1) an 'ordinary' (not performance) car, and in particular one that didn't have a knock sensor and ECU that can adjust the engine to take advantage of the higher octane fuel (which the Golf could), and 2) an older car (perhaps 10 years old or more) or two (one performance, one standard) that was in less good condition than brand new ones, with possible issues such as clogged fuel injectors, carbon deposits on the pistons etc.
- They did do another similar test video (why) that essentially confirmed the results of the first.
- 5th Gear's other test of which things boosts performance of older cars (in that case, a 90s VW Corrado) showed that specialist fuel additives (in that case, Redex injector cleaner additive) made the best difference (still only about 4-5bhp out of about 165-170 to start with) in terms of value for money (about £4-5 for a 4-tank treatment bottle) compared to remapping, new tyres, ete etc.
I would say generally that if you have:
- A new, but standard car (not high performance [Golf GTi or better]), then 95Ron from any petrol station (other than if they have a bad rep - presumably storage problems/contamination) is fine, as long as you keep the car well maintained, drive on a reasonable range of roads, variable speeds and revs in each gear and not just on short (particularly urban) journeys. This gives the car the chance to burn off any nasties that may gunk up the injectors and engine, and decent maintenance generally more than aids this. Super UL may, with its extra cleaning additives, give an extra measure of cleaning, but won't make that much of a difference to performance or mpg when new, as even if does have a knock sensor, the car isn't powerful enough to make that much of a difference, as the clip showed, but certainly won't do any harm (except to your wallet if you do a lot of mileage per year);
- A new performance car would benefit more, not markedly, though some (and the higher the performance the more it does) do more than others, especially those that state they recommend superfuels in the manufacturer's handbook. Again, if you have to choose between using them and decent maintenance (with 95Ron), then I'd go for the latter.
- An older non-performance car may benefit once in a while, especially coming up to MOT time, from the extra cleaning additives of the superfuels or external products like the Redex I mentioned. I myself am going to test this out over the next few weeks when I go on one decent length journey and a much longer 1000 mile holiday trip (including whilst there) to the South West by using both superunleaeded and Redex on my 11yo Mazda3 1.6 petrol - its well-maintained, but I want to see if either/both together make any difference at all. I'll probably keep some of the Redex leftover for the end of the year to use prior to the MOT, though its always easily passed the emissions test up 'till now and never had (touch wood) a failure yet.
- An older performance car almost certainly would benefit from superfuels, especially if it did have a knock sensor and it had been not kept in prime order - many such cars are far less hardy than the bog standard ones and react really well, as the Corrado did, to a bit of TLC. Again, a well-maintained car won't benefit as much as it would've lost less performance as a result of the better care. Not worth using it on a right banger though, whether performance or not.
A lot is really both trial and error to see which fuels react well (or not) with your car (including actual driving, not just looking 'rolling road' test figures), as the clips show, sometimes the super fuels or additives help to smooth out flat spots in the power/torque curve by the cleaning effect, which can make the driving experience better, even if the mpg or max. acceleration doesn't improve a great deal. Similarly for long term reliability - some cars, and more likely the higher performance ones, will benefit more in this respect than bog standard cars. Most people seem to think using 3 to 4 complete fill ups (say 1000 - 1500 miles) of a different fuel (whether make and/or type) will normally be enough to tell if there any difference.
From what others here have said, it seems that the super diesel fuels CAN make far more of a difference than the super unleade petrol ones, probably because of the extra contaminents (soot etc) that is produced as a by-product of the combustion process, and especially if the car if often drive on short journeys where the car doesn't get the chance to warm up and burn those nasties off. The super fuels seems to help do that as, presumably through their own cleaning additives, help clean off any contaiminents before a regen is done, which when it is works better than with odrinary diesel.
I think it would be rare on a well kept car to get both better mpg and performance to the same percentage degree as the difference in fuel price between standard and super fuels, but sometimes thes evary quite a lot - I've seen Shell sell their V-Power SuperUL more than 10p a litre more than their standard, which itself is mostly 2-5p more than at the supermarkets (even before any store discount vouchers are applied), but I've seen the likes of my local Sainsbury's offer 97Ron petrol at a premium of only 5-6p more than the 95Ron standard price (which at the time was within 0.2p of the cheapest elsewhere [Asda]).
It should be noted that the supermarkets and, often even many brands get their fuel from eactly the same sources (and tankers), but they individually add their own 'special' additives at the filling station (a bit like pubs do by adding the branded cola syrup to bog standard carbonated water at the bar hose), thus a Shell, BP and Morrisons filling station might have the same basic 95Ron or 97Ron fuel, but use different/more additives before it reaches the pump.
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I always use Shell V-Power or whatever it's called now!
I don't expect power gains but i use it to keep the engine cleaner and run better than using regular fuel.
For the sake of a few extra quid per fill up, i think its worth it.
It must be good as Honest John himself swears by it!!
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I always use Shell V-Power or whatever it's called now!
I don't expect power gains but i use it to keep the engine cleaner and run better than using regular fuel.
For the sake of a few extra quid per fill up, i think its worth it.
It must be good as Honest John himself swears by it!!
Thats how I see it as well, its long term benefit not just immediate improvement. People say I have done 100K miles on supermarket fuel with no problem, Im sure they have but that does not mean the car would not be in better condition if they had used premium.
Everyone homes in on octane and cleaners but there are other thing as well, increased lubricity protects fuel pump and injectors, better corrosion inhibiters reduces rust particularly with ethanol in the fuel. Ethanol burns producing water, high pressure superheated steam.
Shell have their own distribution network and their own tankers, there is one a few miles from me at a dock by the river, a row of very large oil tanks painted in Shell colours and deliveries are made my boat. Im not saying the fuel is not from the normal refinery but there must be some reason for having their own depot.
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I always use Shell V-Power or whatever it's called now!
I don't expect power gains but i use it to keep the engine cleaner and run better than using regular fuel.
For the sake of a few extra quid per fill up, i think its worth it.
It must be good as Honest John himself swears by it!!
Thats how I see it as well, its long term benefit not just immediate improvement. People say I have done 100K miles on supermarket fuel with no problem, Im sure they have but that does not mean the car would not be in better condition if they had used premium.
Everyone homes in on octane and cleaners but there are other thing as well, increased lubricity protects fuel pump and injectors, better corrosion inhibiters reduces rust particularly with ethanol in the fuel. Ethanol burns producing water, high pressure superheated steam.
Shell have their own distribution network and their own tankers, there is one a few miles from me at a dock by the river, a row of very large oil tanks painted in Shell colours and deliveries are made my boat. Im not saying the fuel is not from the normal refinery but there must be some reason for having their own depot.
I've never willingly used anything other than supermarket's cheapest - several Vauxhall went to 100,000 miles and beyond, all running better at that mileage than when new - I put it down to the use of fully synthetic Mobil 1 0W-40 instead of the "recommended" part-synthetic 10W-40 - however I have used additive cleaners every 1,000 miles to supplement the additives in ALL fuel, as required by EU regulation.
Without doing the 100,000 miles and then stripping the engine down in laboratory conditions, none of us know which is best.
Edited by RT on 10/08/2017 at 23:17
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<< Ethanol burns producing water, high pressure superheated steam. >>
What is different about the water produced by ethanol? The only difference between ethanol (C2H5OH) and petrol (C8H18 and similar) is that the ethanol molecule contains some oxygen, which helps it to burn. It also makes it miscible with water (as in a bottle of plonk), which may cause other problems.
But petrol and diesel both produce plenty of water when they burn too.
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<< Ethanol burns producing water, high pressure superheated steam. >>
What is different about the water produced by ethanol? The only difference between ethanol (C2H5OH) and petrol (C8H18 and similar) is that the ethanol molecule contains some oxygen, which helps it to burn. It also makes it miscible with water (as in a bottle of plonk), which may cause other problems.
But petrol and diesel both produce plenty of water when they burn too.
I read somewhere that the petrol sellers (I presume this the same for biodiesel as well - not a chemist) now put in (yet another) additive to counteract the negative effects of the bioethanol. I still find it ironic, given bio fuels are some of the least environmentally friendly crops grown and take away large swathes of agricultutral land that could've been used to grow food crops for at least animal feed or particularly food for human consumption, as crops for biofuels are apparently the least efficient use of the space of the three. Its not as though the EU is 100% self sufficient in terms of food production.
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<< Ethanol burns producing water, high pressure superheated steam. >>
What is different about the water produced by ethanol? The only difference between ethanol (C2H5OH) and petrol (C8H18 and similar) is that the ethanol molecule contains some oxygen, which helps it to burn. It also makes it miscible with water (as in a bottle of plonk), which may cause other problems.
But petrol and diesel both produce plenty of water when they burn too.
No difference at all. Ethanol has more H and less C so produces a lot more water than petrol and less CO2.
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