Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - TheBroker

Had the (dis)pleasure of test driving the Bentley Bentayga.

1) To drive like a loon around back roads its fun and impressive
2) To look at from a distance it looks good
3) To drive sedately it feels swimmy and made me car sick as a driver (I'm never car sick)
4) That big shiny grill at the front is just plastic
5) There are lots of Audi Q7 bits on the inside which cheapen it - more plastic
6) The Event Specification (£2500) consists of a flimsy fold down seat and poor fitting mechanism that I wouldn't pay more than a couple of hundred £ for
7) You can buy a top spec Range Rover with all the toys for the entry level price of the Bentayga and you would have a better car in all manners

Yes its fast, yes it looks good but it is not worth it in any way.

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - joegrundy

I'll cross that off my list then, and wait for the Dacia facelifts in the Paris motor show.

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - Metropolis.

I was going to mock, but actually it's very interesting to get an insight into a car that i can't currently consider purchasing. My only real impression of it is that it's a plush Audi Q7. I can't honestly see why anyone would pick one over a Range Rover. It might be nice, but not twice the price nice.

Edited by PCharlton on 16/09/2016 at 22:27

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - RT

Even having a "lowly" VW Touareg, I can recognise the interior as being a tarted-up Touareg - and some of the components are the same.

You can't judge premium or luxury cars by price - why pick a Bentley over a Range Rover - or why pick a Range Rover over a VW ?

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - Fishermans Bend

You can't compare a Towrag with a Range Rover.

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - RT

You can't compare a Towrag with a Range Rover.

No - Touareg is much better value - and goes anywhere a sensible person would take a £120,000 Range Rover!

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - Fishermans Bend

And no sensible person would buy a Towraff instead of a Shogun/Land Cruiser.

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - RT

And no sensible person would buy a Towraff instead of a Shogun/Land Cruiser.

In your opinion - not everyone wants a truck.

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - Metropolis.

I'd agree on the Land Cruiser (v8 not prado), and thats from a die hard land rover fan. I do like the older Shoguns, nice v6 engines and an unbelievable amount of tech in them including adjustable shocks, variable ride height, digital climate control, in the early 90s!. The new ones are ok till they are compared to their predecessors.

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - Listeria

And no sensible person would buy a Towraff instead of a Shogun/Land Cruiser.

The first generation Touraeg was a very good vehicle certainly better than the Shogun, I put 140,000 Ks on one in just under 4 years, other than minor items brake pads etc all taken care of at routine servicing. The second generation was a dog (the accountants had been at it).

Have had 3 landcruisers no issues, they are getting very expensive but for reliability you can trust in areas with poor roads. Put over 150,000 Ks on each, bullet proof.

The Audi Q7 I test drove was of a par with the second generation Touraeg.

The only other big 4 x 4 I have been impressed with (drove from Stockholm to Bratislava) is the Porsche Cayenne, if I could finance the ownership costs I would have one tomorrow.

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - Metropolis.

Range Rovers start at 80k

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - Metropolis.

You can. Its like the common misconception that if someone can buy a car for 100 grand, they can clearly also buy a car for 200 grand. In reality, most will be at the height of their budget for either. In this case, A Range Rover starts at 80k, the posh Q7 starts at 160k. That can't be justified for a parts bin car other than charging it because they can.

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - TheBroker

Oh and the door handles were floppy - felt loose and cheap

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - gordonbennet

Glad i keep me work safety helmet in the car, might get hit by one of these badges being hurled about.

Only one test for me whether a vehicle is worth buying, and thats when its still giving completely reliable service from 10 to 20 years, it's perceived (not in my eyes) kudos/bragging rights as a new vehicle mean nothing, anyone can buy brash to impress the celeb/bling worshipping generation if anyone would want to do so for some reason, class has no price tag and can't be bought into.

That long term utter dependability rules out almost all of the marques being spoken of in glowing/derisory terms in this thread, might even be ruling out the latest versions of what were previously bomb proof vehicles as they age, due in most part to the reliance on technology at least in the soft gadget laden Western versions.

As for good looks, very few of the current 4x4's being offered by any of the makers mentioned, including many of their other vehicle types, offered for sale in this country could be called good looking, the Bentley mentioned is in keeping with its car sisters, it looks dreadful...but beauty is in the eye etc, if someone wants to spend £200k or so on something as eye wateringly dire as that then good luck to them.

Edited by gordonbennet on 17/09/2016 at 07:37

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - daveyjp
I saw one of these on Wednesday.

People who want one will have one.
Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - elekie&a/c doctor
The bits you can see have a Bentley logo,the bits you can't see have VW,Seat ,Skoda,Audi stamped on them.Worrying.
Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - RT
The bits you can see have a Bentley logo,the bits you can't see have VW,Seat ,Skoda,Audi stamped on them.Worrying.

Why is it worrying? It's no secret which group Bentley belongs to, nor the platform the cars uses.

It does seem to be the case that many VW Group assemblies are good enough to put in a Bentley.

In the old days Bentley, Rolls-Royce and Jaguar used many of the parts found in Austins and Morris's.

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - Sofa Spud
In the old days Bentley, Rolls-Royce and Jaguar used many of the parts found in Austins and Morris's.

What parts on a Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow or Bentley T were borrowed from Austins and Morrises? (not counting light bulbs, fuses, tyre valves or other consumables)

Edited by Sofa Spud on 28/09/2016 at 22:32

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - dadbif
The largest part adapted for use by Rolls/Bentley was the Citroen suspension system
Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - Sofa Spud
The largest part adapted for use by Rolls/Bentley was the Citroen suspension system

Citroen used power hydraulics (i.e. with a pump and accumulator) for the hydro-pneumatic suspension, the brakes and other things. RR used it for the brakes and I think the self-levelling device for the rear suspension too. They used the principle but it wasn't a case of buying in and fitting the Citroen system! The main suspension on the Silver Shadow was by coil springs.

The biggest involvement RR had with BMC, which owned Austin and Morris, was the Vanden Plas Princess R. This car was a restyled version of the Vanden Plas 3-litre which was an upmarket version of the Austin Westminster / Wolseley 6/110. The Princess R used a Rolls-Royce B60 6-cylinder engine and the car was the watered down result of an abandoned joint venture between RR and BMC to build a budget Bentley. RR also supplied the B40 4-cylinder petrol engines for the Austin Champ military 4x4.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 30/09/2016 at 11:16

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - Cyd

1) To drive like a loon around back roads its fun and impressive

2) To look at from a distance it looks good

A matter of opinion. I think it looks a right monstrosity
3) To drive sedately it feels swimmy and made me car sick as a driver (I'm never car sick)
4) That big shiny grill at the front is just plastic

It has to be. Cars cannot pass crash requirements and get 5* NCAP otherwise
5) There are lots of Audi Q7 bits on the inside which cheapen it - more plastic

The seats are carry over A8, but with Bentley leather. Some of the switches for seat operations are very small and fiddly and out of sight down the side of the seat. Some of the switches wobble and 'feel' cheap. Even the £225,000 one I was looking at today had manual head restraints!!! The massage system can only be turned on and off via the tiny switch on the seat side. The massage menu on the touchscreen only appears when the on/off switch is pressed and dissappears after 15 seconds (if you want to change the massage whilst it is operating you have to turn it off and back on to get the menu up). The seats ventilation system is very noisy.

Although the massage is 10 zone, the programs are slow and uninspiring. Not a patch on the S Class. The same 5 programs from the A8 (which is half the price!)

On the positive side the seats are comfortable and the easy ingress/egress pneumatic cushion and squab bolsters are a nice touch (except that all four deflate and then they inflate in sequence when it would be much better to simply deflate the outboard ones and reflate them together)

No soft start on the seat motors - a jerky start at full tilt instead.

I completely unscrewed one of the vent control knobs thinking they turn and not realising they push/pull. The four vent knobs are four different lengths!


6) The Event Specification (£2500) consists of a flimsy fold down seat and poor fitting mechanism that I wouldn't pay more than a couple of hundred £ for

Yep. I'd have to agree. Quite pathetic for such an expensive car. A 40 quid chair from B&Q would be preferable
7) You can buy a top spec Range Rover with all the toys for the entry level price of the Bentayga and you would have a better car in all manners

Yes its fast, yes it looks good but it is not worth it in any way.

I'd have a Range Rover SVR and keep the change! The RRSVR is only fractionaly slower and sounds way better than this blinged up Q7.

My assessment was static - I was unable to drive it. It does sound good though (untill you hear it next to an SVR, that is).

The remote 'key' fob is huge and heavy to have in your pocket.

A £225,000 car with a bench rear seat? FFS. And manual operation squabs with head restraints that crash str8 into the RSE screens when they are released.

The owners manual proclaimed there was a seats menu accessible from the home screen. No there wasn't !!! Schoolboy error from someone

With the engine running and even with the door closed, this bossy machine was bonging continuously with no message for why on the display and no apparent way to shut it up. I could have hit it with a brick!

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - Cyd

The optional electrically deploying towbar was a nice touch. Its 3500kg tow capacity matches that of a Range Rover.

Bentley Bentayga - Bentley Bentagya - RT

The optional electrically deploying towbar was a nice touch. Its 3500kg tow capacity matches that of a Range Rover.

Available at 1/4 of the price of a Bentayga on the same platform - VW Touareg has 3,500kg towing limit - excellent towcar.

Bentley Bentayga - Avant

Looks are a matter of opinion; to some extent so is the way a car drives. But in a £160,000 Bentley, anything shoddy or flimsy is, objectively, inexcusable.

If you're going to use someone's parts bin, it may as well be Audi's. You don't find shoddy or flimsy items in Audis, so I can't understand why they're to be found in a Bentley.

Bentley Bentayga - gordonbennet

RR not the only ones to use Citroen style suspension on their cars.

Toyota use similar sphere damping and height control on the long running 100 series Amazon, so similar in fact that those in the know visit Pleiades Citroen suspension specialists at Sawtry for sphere replacements when their suspensions fail...saving them getting on for 4 figure sums.