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Mon 4 Apr 2016 08:19
VW diesel compensation evidence? - daveyK_UK
Have not spotted the story on honestjohn.co.uk , here is a link

www.motortrend.com/news/volkswagen-passat-diesel-r.../


Will people now seek compensation if this is the case?
The 2.0 Diesel engines already addressed by VW, will they need further work?
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Mon 4 Apr 2016 08:43
VW diesel compensation evidence? - Bolt

I was under the impression VW did not have to pay compensation as they have not broken any regulations

USA are getting it because the emissions standards are higher than anywhere else including UK, please correct if wrong

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Mon 4 Apr 2016 08:51
VW diesel compensation evidence? - RT

AFAIK no recalls have yet been done in the UK.

Bolt is right that it's a different issue in the USA - the NOx regulations are much tighter than EU, the wording there more clear that VW couldn't do what they did and the compensation culture there.

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Mon 4 Apr 2016 09:59
VW diesel compensation evidence? - slkfanboy

In the USA a car has to pass it's emmisions test yearly else you cant be taxed it and run it on the road. As pointed out the emmisions system is differant in the US and so many customer get $1000 and upto $2000 toward a trade in. Due to the lack of progress there is a $18b legal action againt VW plus a class actions.

In the UK currently no such luck. Do VW meet emmsions test. well not all do thats why the 1.6 engines have a mod, all others are having the cheat software removed.

Will the car perform exactly the same? Well thats hard to know and VW say yes it be the same. So if thats true why was the software there? Logic and how the VW system works suggests this is not exactly true. But until 'fixed' car turn up we cant be sure.

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Mon 4 Apr 2016 10:10
VW diesel compensation evidence? - Wackyracer

In the USA a car has to pass it's emmisions test yearly else you cant be taxed it and run it on the road.

For cars of MOT age it's the same here is it not? Fail the MOT on emissions, you can't use the car on the road or re TAX (VED) ?

It could be argued the same here about the cheat software, Would a VW pass the MOT emissions levels if the cheat software was not working?

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Mon 4 Apr 2016 10:27
VW diesel compensation evidence? - Bromptonaut

For cars of MOT age it's the same here is it not? Fail the MOT on emissions, you can't use the car on the road or re TAX (VED) ?

It could be argued the same here about the cheat software, Would a VW pass the MOT emissions levels if the cheat software was not working?

AIUI the only emissions test in the Diesel MoT is for smoke. Pass that and you're OK. There is another issue where owners are suspected of removing particle filters but that's nothing to do with 'cheat' software.

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Mon 4 Apr 2016 10:48
VW diesel compensation evidence? - Wackyracer

For cars of MOT age it's the same here is it not? Fail the MOT on emissions, you can't use the car on the road or re TAX (VED) ?

It could be argued the same here about the cheat software, Would a VW pass the MOT emissions levels if the cheat software was not working?

AIUI the only emissions test in the Diesel MoT is for smoke. Pass that and you're OK. There is another issue where owners are suspected of removing particle filters but that's nothing to do with 'cheat' software.

Or as I said 'fail' it and you can't use your car on the road or TAX it. The smoke Opacity test is the only test we currently do on diesels here in the UK.

What has removing DPF's got to do with the subject of VW cheat software ?

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Mon 4 Apr 2016 19:08
VW diesel compensation evidence? - Bromptonaut

Or as I said 'fail' it and you can't use your car on the road or TAX it. The smoke Opacity test is the only test we currently do on diesels here in the UK.

What has removing DPF's got to do with the subject of VW cheat software ?

I understood you to be suggesting that, without the cheat software, a VAG diesel might fail the MoT. My point was that MoT is only a smoke test and that as the 'cheats' were to do with NoX and/or CO2 no car needs the 'cheat' to pass.

There was something either here or in news in lat few days about the MoT authorities aggressively following up fails for removal of DPF or catalyst. For some reaon my ming conflated that with your post about being unable to tax etc . Sorry.

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Mon 4 Apr 2016 13:09
VW diesel compensation evidence? - madf

For cars of MOT age it's the same here is it not? Fail the MOT on emissions, you can't use the car on the road or re TAX (VED) ?

It could be argued the same here about the cheat software, Would a VW pass the MOT emissions levels if the cheat software was not working?

AIUI the only emissions test in the Diesel MoT is for smoke. Pass that and you're OK. There is another issue where owners are suspected of removing particle filters but that's nothing to do with 'cheat' software.

Wrong.

There is a CO test as well.

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Mon 4 Apr 2016 16:07
VW diesel compensation evidence? - Bromptonaut

Wrong.

There is a CO test as well.

HAve you got a source for that? Everything I've read says only test for diesels is smoke (plus presence of OEM catalyst/DPF)

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Mon 4 Apr 2016 17:28
VW diesel compensation evidence? - madf

Wrong.

There is a CO test as well.

HAve you got a source for that? Everything I've read says only test for diesels is smoke (plus presence of OEM catalyst/DPF)

OOPS: you are correct and I was wrong.. Apologies.

Smoke test only per MOT certificate.

( I recalled my Jazz certificate - which is of course petrol....)

Serious senile demnetia strikes again:-(

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Mon 4 Apr 2016 10:38
VW diesel compensation evidence? - RT

In the USA a car has to pass it's emmisions test yearly else you cant be taxed it and run it on the road. As pointed out the emmisions system is differant in the US and so many customer get $1000 and upto $2000 toward a trade in. Due to the lack of progress there is a $18b legal action againt VW plus a class actions.

In the UK currently no such luck. Do VW meet emmsions test. well not all do thats why the 1.6 engines have a mod, all others are having the cheat software removed.

Will the car perform exactly the same? Well thats hard to know and VW say yes it be the same. So if thats true why was the software there? Logic and how the VW system works suggests this is not exactly true. But until 'fixed' car turn up we cant be sure.

USA emissions testing varies geatly by state - California is strict but many states have no emissions test at all.

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Mon 4 Apr 2016 10:50
VW diesel compensation evidence? - Wackyracer

USA emissions testing varies geatly by state - California is strict but many states have no emissions test at all.

Exactly RT.

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Mon 4 Apr 2016 11:22
VW diesel compensation evidence? - nortones2

The US tests are concerned with Nox because of their smog levels, esp. California. With or without diesels! The UK don't test for Nox at present in the MoT, so unless blatantly smoky, the MoT is pretty useless for emissions. 2018 will apparently bring in more tests under load for NO2 for the UK. DPF, reducing smoke as well as the smaller particulates invisible to the eye, has to be present in current testing. Not sure how the testers will know whether it works, or is just a hollow shell....

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