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Fiat Panda 1.2 56 plate - Cold starting..... - simtester

Having real problems starting on cold days. Usual scenario is.... engine fires and runs for a few seconds then cuts out. Second attempt is the same except frequently the temp gauge will go to HOT then back to COLD within the space of another few seconds, Also the digital clock re-sets itself to 00.00 and flashes.

The trick seems to be to give a little throttle on the first turn of the key and then get the revs up to around 1500 and hold it there until the engine speed stabilises. This usually takes around half a minute whereupon the engine will then run normally. Starting from warm or hot is normal with no issues.

My feeling is that this is some sort of a temperature issue so I replaced the MAP sensor a few weeks ago. Didn't make any difference though and I don't know if there are any other temp sensors that could be faulty.

The car had a full service last October including new plugs. The ecu has been checked for error codes but there are none showing.

Your thoughts please.

Fiat Panda 1.2 56 plate - Cold starting..... - elekie&a/c doctor

If the clock re-sets to 00 while starting,then this could be a battery problem.Needs to be tested.

Fiat Panda 1.2 56 plate - Cold starting..... - simtester

Battery was tested just before Xmas and was found to be in good order. My feeling about this problem is that there is another sensor somewhere (apart from the MAP) which enriches the fuel air mixture to enable cold starting. I have checked various forums on the internet (mostly USA based) to see if there are any similar type problems that have been identified and sorted. Apparently some of the more up-market vehicles over there (and in UK) can be fitted with anything up to five sensors to determine mixture and ignition settings, any of which can and do give duff info to the ECU and cause cold starting and other issues. The problem I have is trying to identify probably only one! I understand the Panda does have a coolant temp sensor somewhere near the thermostat housing but so far I have been unable to find it. Does anybody know where it is located and could this sensor be the problem.... or part of it?

As stated before, once the engine is fully warmed, there are no problems either running or re-starting.

Fiat Panda 1.2 56 plate - Cold starting..... - elekie&a/c doctor

Could be a fault with the coolant temp sensor.You would need to check the live data when engine is cold to see if the reading shown is close to actual temp of engine.I think you will find that the sensor is part of the thermostat housing and is only replaceable as a complete unit.Still worried about the fact that the clock goes to 00 on cranking.Could be a voltage loss issue?.hth

Fiat Panda 1.2 56 plate - Cold starting..... - focussed

I had this similar problem on a Fiat Seicento Sport with the 1.2 motor. - check the body and engine earths are making good contact - clean the contact areas are bright metal and smear with silicone grease and reassemble tight.

Fiat Panda 1.2 56 plate - Cold starting..... - simtester

Have just done a further continuity check accross the battery to check for voltages.

Readings are as follows

Battery condition 12.8 v

Charge rate (no auxiliary load) 13.9 v

Voltage when cranking 7.5 v to 8.2 v

The last reading worries me a bit as I understand that the voltage drop shouldn't be more than about 2 volts max. I also did a similar check on my other car which has a new 60ah battery and the cranking voltage dropped to only 10.5 v. Could this be the reason behind all the problems I am asking myself. I will borrow the new battery and try a start-up from that one to see if there is any difference. If there is then I suppose a new battery is on the cards. The Panda battery is original and is around 6 1/2 years old......! Any thoughts????

Fiat Panda 1.2 56 plate - Cold starting..... - elekie&a/c doctor

Yes,your battery is in trouble.Volt drop to 7.5 volts under crank is too low.

Fiat Panda 1.2 56 plate - Cold starting..... - simtester

My thoughts exactly. I will try the battery swap before getting a new one fitted however..... just to prove a point to myself if nothing else !

Fiat Panda 1.2 56 plate - Cold starting..... - GillyM

I am having the same issues with my 56 plate Panda. Did replacing the battery work?

Fiat Panda 1.2 56 plate - Cold starting..... - MondeoMonkeyMagic

I'm a member of the

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membership is free and the place is lovely and welcoming (no such thing as a daft question), plus your question might help someone else too.

Fiat Panda 1.2 56 plate - Cold starting..... - simtester

Well, it's been far too cold to be messing around with cars outside for at least the past 5 weeks so no further investigation was done. However, now the temperatures are on the rise, I decided it was about time to continue trying to find the problem. So, a few days ago I removed the battery from the car and did a major clean up of the main terminals and 'negative' connectors. The battery posts were quite dull with oxide as were the terminals so these were given a good going over with emery paper back to bright metal. As the battery was off the car I thought it might be a good idea to give it a top up charge on the bench. I connected the charger and lo and behold the ammeter went straight up to 5 amps (max) and stayed there for the best part of 5 hours ! After that the charge rate gradually dropped to just under 1 amp at which point it didn't seem to want to take any more. Conclusion for all this.... the battery was almost flat.

Question though...... why was this not picked up on the garage's battery test equipment? All indications were about normal according to them. Also why was the battery capable of cranking a freezing cold engine without failing completely? Very odd in my book.

My own opinion...... Fiat somehow manage to arrange some sort of priority with the distribution of available current during starting and in this case I suspect that although there was just about enough for the starter, there wasn't sufficient volts / amps for the ECU, hence the trip computer and clock resetting. Curious to say the least.

I will be soldiering on for the summer months using this original battery (monitoring it closely) but will be replacing it in the autumn. I will probably look at getting a heavier duty type as most of my driving is short distance and there isn't a lot of time to recharge what's been taken out in a cold start situation.