Wait till the next wave of eastern block countries invade the UK they are professionals at crime .

I'm quite embarassed at the current crop of British criminals to be honest, no ingenuity these days at all.

Look, it'd be stupid to say immigration is increasing the cost of insurance but it'd be fair to say immigration policy may be having an impact. Keep in mind much of the UK's immigration policy is set by the European Union and not the people you vote for to inhabit Westminster. The European Court of Justice - whos judgements you have to abide by as a pre-requisite for EU membership, so don't tell me they're nothing to do with the EU - has recently imposed more regulation on the British insurance industry which our Government cannot change irrespective of who we vote for.

Yes. I think there are two main areas which need a crackdown:

1.) Massive crash for crash scandals by Pakistanis/Bangladeshis.

2.) Eastern European drink drivers.

also, not really immigration, but foreignors nevertheless...

3.) LHD lorries.

You simply cannot beat the good old racist thread.

Your insurance goes up so lets blame the immigrants.

When my dad got hit by an uninsured hit and run driver they turned out to be white and English.

There is good and bad in every culture so lets not start stereotyping people by colour and religion etc.

Remember, that is how the Nazis started.

Round these parts there was a large Polish community when I was a youngster, they even had their own church (as did the Ukranians). Most had stayed here after WW2 and married locally, went to school with plenty of their children, no one ever commented. Very few are alive now and the church has been struggling to keep going in recent years.

We now have a large Polish community again, there are Polish shops and most supermarkets stock a large amount of food to satisfy their tastes.

The company I work for has offices in Poland, Rumania and other eastern countries. These have opened in same period Poles etc have been coming into the UK.

It works both ways and long may it continue.

There was an amusing article in the nasty Daily Mail at the weekend about Boston in Lincs which has a very high Polish and Lithuanium population due to the farming work in the area.

Was farming not getting done in Boston before 2004 then? Were the vegetables rotting in the field before 2004? Was food 10 times more expensive than it is now before 2004? Stop making out we need totally uncontrolled immigration just to pick cabbages, we don't.

All the hyperbole scaremongering about why we need open door, unlimited, uncontrolled immigration from the entirity of Eastern Europe is extremely annoying because the policy is less than 10 years old and we managed ok before it.

Boston really is a turdhole these days and when a white English Boston resident dared to describe the town on Question Time she was screamed down as a racist. She merely pointed out most people in the street, doctors surgery, supermarkets etc don't speak English and most formerly local people have moved away now.

When my dad got hit by an uninsured hit and run driver they turned out to be white and English.

Ah the classic exception to the rule post. People were discussing basic trends and broader immigration policy on here, what happened to your Dad in one instance is irrelevant and disproves nothing. Nobody here is denying there is English scum too, but that's not the topic.

The company I work for has offices in Poland, Rumania and other eastern countries. These have opened in same period Poles etc have been coming into the UK.

You can open up offices wherever you want but that doesn't mean there should be unlimited free movement of people between those countries. You're not seriously trying to tell me more than one million Brits have flocked to Poland since 2004 are you? No? Good.

It works both ways and long may it continue.

Free movement of people needs to end immediately. Those census figures even shocked me and I've long theorised the Daily Mail may (unfortunately) actually have a point. The influx into our tiny islands in the last decade is the fastest growth in our population since the Romans arrived, yet if you even question the policy you are described as racist.

The Labour Government destroyed hundreds of years of enviable work done by this proud country of integrating all religions, creeds and races into our culture by just handing all immigration control to Belgium. They should be ashamed of themselves because their policies have led to most towns in Britain now having a foreign ghetto.

You can't tell me all of those 4 million are here picking lettuces in the field.

Edited by jamie745 on 07/02/2013 at 17:00

Oh right it's 'equality' now is it? You lot are getting really desperate when you reach for such distant straws. First you told us we need totally uncontrolled open door immigration because we can't pick lettuces ourselves, now that's been disproven you throw a bogus equality argument around?

Nowhere outside Europe has total uncontrolled, open door immigration. Are you accusing the United States and Australia of being unequal countries because they don't allow millions of unskilled people to just wander into their country from all over the continent?

I'm not ashamed of desiring sensible immigration controls akin to most sensible countries outside Europe, no.

If all the ex Pats returned to the UK it would sink under the weight they far outway any body who has come to the UK looking for work or any other reason.

Well that's simply not true is it. You apologists for the EU's open door immigration policy are getting really desperate now, you're just making stuff up.

Last year 183,000 more people came to the UK than left. The year before the figure was 242,000. The population has increased by more than 4 million in the last 10 years. More people have arrived in the UK than left for over 15 consecutive years.

183,000 is bigger than the population of Reading. 242,000 is nearly as big as Stoke-on-Trent.

Am I the only one who thinks a town bigger than Reading arriving in Britain every 12 months is unsustainable? Is it racist or an insult to 'equality' to point out this basic mathematical fact?

This is without even discussing the illegal immigrants, the Home Office very quietly admit they don't really know to the nearest 2 million how many people are in the UK. Yet we have a comprehensive database for every car and know how many of them we've got.

Couldn't make it up.

Edited by jamie745 on 07/02/2013 at 19:32

The issue we are wrestling with is whether (one of) the richest countries in the world have an obligation to share that wealth through uncontrolled immigration.

Well the answer to that is easy and requires no wrestling; No, we dont.

I mean what a ridiculous thing to even suggest, it's a fallacy to believe Britain can solve the problems of Romania (for example) by importing Romanians.

Back when uncontrolled immigration was essentially limited to the rich countries of Western Europe, we could feel quite relaxed about the matter. People don't flee France for England to claim benefits or work cash in hand while living in a tent, because France has a similar standard of living to us. Yes we can debate whether the UK or France has better hospitals/schools etc but we're broadly similar.

Bulgaria on the other hand - whose transitional controls end in January 2014 - is a nation run entirely by criminality and the mafia. The judiciary is broken, the average wage is less than 200 euros a month and more than 50% of it's citizens live below the poverty line. Such a corrupt country shouldn't even be in the EU (by it's own rules of admission) and although I feel for the people of Bulgaria, our country is bankrupt and simply cannot take another wave of unskilled labour putting severe pressure on services.

Britain is over £1trillion in debt, we have an annual budget deficit over £100billion, councils up and down the country are having to slash costs and theres schools in London now where 75% of students don't speak English as a first language. We cannot support a town the size of Reading arriving in the UK every 12 months, especially as the EU now says migrants should have access to our social security system.

Please pinpoint my supposedly 'racist' comments please. What's racist about wanting sensible, work permit based immigration control? What's racist about pointing out we can't sustain a town the size of Reading arriving in the UK every year? What's racist about pointing out services are under severe strain and the country is bankrupt?

What's racist about pointing out lettuces did indeed get picked and packaged before we opend the doors in 2004? What's racist about pointing out no country outside Europe practices such reckless immigration non-control? What's racist about questioning Bulgaria's legitimacy to even be in the EU?

What have I said that's racist? Quote my racist remarks please. If you can't back up your claims then shut up.

There used to be moderation on this site regarding overtly political material.

It's just a bit of thread drift-inevitable on forums. Nothing to worry about. If you don't like the direction a thread is taking, don't follow it. Simple. Why do some people clamour for opinions that they don't share to be censored? I've had quarrels with most of the regular contributors on this forum. I would never want an opposing opnion to be moderated.

If someone expresses their thoughts in an unpleasant way, the credibility of their argument is lost in the bile. In this way, threads are usually self moderating.

There's much more of an disincentive to write carelessly, knowing that any offending material will be left on view, rather than discreetly removed by a moderator.We don't want to return to the bad old days when over-zealous moderation left many posts with more redactions than an MP's expenses form.

We are nearly all immigrants when you look back a few generations its swings and roundabouts really .For your enlightenmeant Jamie expats out number the immigration into the UK over the last hundred years by a factor of 4 to 1.We expats are in Australia,America,Canada,South Africa you name a country and the Brits are there I am 1 of many thousands of Brits in Germany its just one world and your a short time on it so lighten up and enjoy your stay.

Jamie I must object to your post mate. Your opponents arguments should not be referred to as merely thin when in fact they are simply incredibly weak and utterly nonsensical.

Do hope that clarifies the situation. Please carry on.

incidentally I think the OP's suggestion does have merit. In that the immigrant community probably does have a disproportionate number of uninsured,criminal and bad drivers, drunk out of their skull at 9am and otherwise. But lets not understimate the home grown uninsured, criminal, drunk and bad drivers.

Which combined most certainly do force up premiums for the rest of us.

Jamie I must object to your post mate. Your opponents arguments should not be referred to as merely thin when in fact they are simply incredibly weak and utterly nonsensical.

I was trying to be kind. The fact I've put forward what I feel to be a sensible desire for sensible, work-permit-based immigration control and been described as a racist, a nazi and a xenophobe (all without action from Avant I might point out) shows you how bonkers the country now is.

We moderate with a lighter touch nowadays: we censor personal insults, rudeness and unhelpfulness to people seeking advice as well as spam, but a forum is called that because it should encourage free 'speech'.

I think I deserve a gold star for being surprisingly restrained on this thread compared to my delete-worthy posts of yesteryear. It should be noted I've been likened to Adolf Hitlers henchmen for pointing out the EU's immigration policy is damaging and senseless.

I hate to remind everyone but these are people who beat, tortured and experimented on innocent people, including feeding them rotted nettles and forcing them into hard labour. They put people into gas chambers and didn't even think twice before locking the door.

Are you sure what I'm saying is comparible and are such comments allowed Avant?

Edited by Avant on 08/02/2013 at 23:52

"There used to be moderation on this site regarding overtly political material. Many of the latter comments on this thread are unpleasant and racist."

We moderate with a lighter touch nowadays: we censor personal insults, rudeness and unhelpfulness to people seeking advice as well as spam, but a forum is called that because it should encourage free 'speech'.

If you don't like what you see, you're under no obligation to read it.

Perhaps you moderators should take racism more seriously. It is a criminal offence after all. Would you really want this site to get dragged through the courts with its figure head Honest John in the dock.

Do your jobs and remove blatantly racist posts just like you do with spam.

Free speach is one thing, racism is totally different.