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any - MPG display - wemyss

I bought the wife a 2006 Fabia 1.2 Sport in 1996 with only 300 miles on the clock. The name of Sport is a bit of a misnomer as its actually a sheep in wolves clothing with only the standard 3cyl 47kw 1.2 engine. Sport relates to lots of goodies such as leather steering and gear lever, alloys and chrome exhaust and a spoiler.

It was an ex Motability car and as new. Even the Skoda carpets were still in the boot unused. The local garage often gets Motability cars and his opinion was that the poor owner must have died.

Her longest journey is to the supermarket and garden centre so I have to give it a run every week.

My usual trip with it shows at the end of the journey that it has averaged 48mpg verified on a spreadsheet.

The actual mpg is only 40mpg measured from ownership.

The car runs on low profile tyres and I wondered if the discrepancy is down to the smaller tyres.

My question is where does the display get its information from. I suppose obviously it comes from the ECU but what tells this the information.

wemyss

any - MPG display - unthrottled

It can't measure fuel economy directly. The ECU only 'sees' road speed.

The ECU estimates fuel consumption by estimating fuel flow. The ECU cannot measure fuel flow directly, but knows how long the specified pulse width (how long the injectors stay open) of the injectors is. Since the flow rate of the injectors is known (gallons/hour) , the flowrate is multiplied by the pulse width (hours) and the speed (miles/hour) is divided by this figure to derive miles per gallon.

If the flow rate of any of the injectors is out of specification, then the figures would be wrong. Normally, the trip computer is fairly accurate nowadays.

Low profile tyres are usually fitted to larger rims so the overall tyre diameter isn't usually that different.

Maybe the problem is that you bought the car 10 years before it was manufactured! :)

any - MPG display - wemyss

Thanks for that.... Yes I was just slightly out with its year. It should have been 2006.

I'm not sure what low profile tyres are exactly but they are smaller and fatter than usual Fabia tyres (190/50R15) Yes I can fairly well understand your explanation of how its calculated.

Would any variances of the same model affect the accuracy ?.

wemyss

any - MPG display - unthrottled

The size of the tyres will be marked on the tyre wall.

So the overal tyre diameter for the 190/50R15 is (190/25.4)*2*(50/100)+15=22.4" or 57.1cm

cf my tyres 175/70R13

(175/25.4)*2*(70/100)+13=22.6" or 57.5cm

Very different tyre/wheel combo but almost identical overall tyre diameter. So I doubt that the wheels are the source of error.

(sorry if the basic formulae is patronising but some people just can't do basic arithmetic!)

The speedometer is usually calibrated to over-estimate road speed (but only by a maximum of 8%). This over-estimates distance travelled so that could be a source of error.

Injector flow rate should be within 3% of the specified value.

Your brim/brim figures are ~20% out from the trip meter-so neither of these errors fully explain the discrepency.

Just to make sure: you are converting litres into an imperial gallon (~4.5 litres) and not a US gallon (~3.8litres). It's just that the US gallon is ~20% smaller than an imperial one. Apologies once again for being condescending.

any - MPG display - Bobbin Threadbare

Maybe the problem is that you bought the car 10 years before it was manufactured! :)

Good- somebody else said it first so it wasn't me...! Sorry wemyss, but it made me laugh.

any - MPG display - Buster Cambelt

Most of these in car "computers" are very simple affairs, especially the mpg readouts. In this case you have something that measures the hypothetical instant mpg based on a few inputs - e.g. road speed, engine speed, gear and engine load (which will be something simple based on how far the opedal is pressed). The "trip" mpg will really only be a summary of that based on samples every (say) 100 metres.

Treat it for what it is, a guide. If it says you are doing 50mpg you are burning less fuel than if it says you are doing 40mpg.

There of, of course, some very sophisticated efforts that work on flow measurement, actual distacnce travelled and the like. VAG don't fit them.

any - MPG display - AndyT

The fuel trip on my wife's Roomster 1.4 diesel regularly over-reads, by between approx 3 to 8mpg every fill. Though it is usually by 4 to 5mpg, with the odd fluctuation.

any - MPG display - craig-pd130

As I'm a boring old f***, I log the actual mpg at the pump and from the trip computer. My old Passat's computer was 5% optimistic; my current Volvo's is 6% optimistic.

These are averages taken over dozens of tankfuls; if you calculate based on one single tankful, you can get discrepancies from exactly how much you squeezed into the tank from that particular fuel pump (this can vary by nearly a gallon on some cars, I've found)

any - MPG display - Leif

I bought the wife a 2006 Fabia 1.2 Sport in 1996 with only 300 miles on the clock.

Does it have a sticker on the back which says "My other vehicle is a Tardis" ?

any - MPG display - wemyss

Exactly correct Craig regarding filling up. I have a spreadsheet set up and only have to enter the litres and mileage and using 4.546 it enters everything else automatically with a six year average of 40.42.

For the Fabia the MPG can vary between fills from 34 to 47mpg. And its not because of different journeys as I invariably travel to my home town and back which is a 54 mile journey.

I’m not sure though whether it’s the pumps or the car itself as I always use the Shell station in my town albeit there are several pumps.

With my own car it gives almost identical mpg (diesel) on each fill.

Leif….almost right but it was Wartburg.

wemyss

any - MPG display - dieseldogg

I have found diesel VW group vehicles to be exceedingly accurate, though always a very small %age (2-4%) optimistic.

Based on brimming the tank repeatedly over thousands of miles & comparison with cumulative "trip" mpg's

Cheers

M