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her fault or mine? - leecoleman

A few weeks ago:
I was traveling in left hand lane when a car drove from the right hand lane, without indicating/looking into my drivers side wheel arch. There is very minor damage to my car. The front left of her car is damaged at her passengers side wheel arch towards her indicators. The accident happened in my lane and she was behind me, I could only see her in my driver wing mirror. The driver stopped, we exchanged details, she denied it was her fault, said I was behind her and that she was only following her lane round. Now the lane that she was in has roadworks in it and is effectively a dead-end. I know this because I travel this route everyday - she wasn't local so prob didn't know this. She also said she was going to x road and in order to do this she needed to move into my lane, then the lane to my left. Police were called but wouldn't attend. I informed my insurers on the day of the accident as soon as I got home.

After 6 days she still hadn't reported it to her insurers, it was only when the 'claims co' got in touch with her did she respond. I wasn't sure I wanted to go through my insurance as I don't have legal cover. My car is ancient and has £600 of damage, therefore, because of lost-value car prob a cat c write-off. I got one of those 'claims co's' to contact her insurance and she still won't admit liability. However, they have not yet received her accident report and so may still admit liability. Her insurance co want to assess my car and hers.

I don't have legal cover, and my excess is £150. Should I

a) go through her insurance
b) go through my insurance
c) just leave it

and also, what are my chances of winning this given what has happened?

Can anyone advise?!?

her fault or mine? - skidpan

Its normal to go through your own insurance unless the other company wishes to sort it for you.

Legal cover is immaterial, it only helps you recover uninsurred losses.

Not knowing the road is no excuse.

With no independant witnesses all the insurance companies have to go on is the 2 drivers stories and the location of the damage. If the damage is to the front of the other parties car how could you have been behind her, make sure you draw a good sketch showing where the cars were on the road and show the damage on the sketch.

Best of luck, took me 9 months to sort a similar case once when I was accused of driving into the side of someone when I was actually parked and stationary at the side of the road.

her fault or mine? - leecoleman

what a complete nightmare! I just don't know whether to proceed with the claim or not - you know?

Just to clarify - the damage is to the front of her left hand side - where her wheel arch and indicators is/are? and on my car to the back driver side wheel arch?

not sure if that makes a difference

her fault or mine? - MavisCruet

This is IDENTICAL to an accident that my OH was involved in in January 2011 on my policy. He was in a left lane, the other person (Jag) was in the right hand lane. The Jag changed lanes and hit our drivers back wheel and arch with his passenger indicator/light cluster and bumper. The police did not attend - we called as the guy was very aggressive and we suspected he was driving under the influence but the Police Officer got dispatched to the wrong place (Four Pubs all with the same name on the same stretch of road across the county unfortunately!)

We did sketches, included print our on Google Street View etc etc and argued the case that the majority of our car was in front of his and he should have been able to see it - we had photos of his damage and our damage. Long Story short the Jag driver insisted he 'had been undertaken at speed by my OH driving dangerously' etc etc so I took this as 'clutching at straws' to weedle his way out and stuck to our guns. Our insurers fully supported us that they felt it was Jag man's fault and said worse case it would go 50/50 fault due to both versions of events being plausible. We declined to accept this and opted for court.

This Saturday we received a cheque for our excess (no losses due to days off taxi's etc to get the car fixed but we don't care) and I have all my no claims back etc it has taken 18 months but the difference between our case and yours is we do have legal cover so if not it would have cost an absolute fortune in fees, plus our car was only three years old.

Fighting it out for £750 was a matter of principle because Jag Man was a total aggressive pain in the a***. If we had not got legal cover and maybe if the car was older we might have just left it. The amount of letters/phone calls etc etc just isn't worth it.

P.S - as soon as possible get it in writing/recorded it was only her in the car and there are no injuries - Jag Man decided 6 months down the line he had whiplash and therefore instead of ringing the 8am-8pm customer services to sort all this crap we could only ring a certain department open 9am-5pm - just another little hurdle when I work full time too :oS

Good Luck with it whatever you decide.

her fault or mine? - TeeCee

>> The Jag changed lanes and hit our drivers back wheel and arch with his passenger indicator/light cluster and bumper.

So, not an end-to-end shunt then?

>> Jag Man decided 6 months down the line he had whiplash

So, in the light of the first bit, that would be a barefaced lie then? Shame that the plod don't give a monkey's, this is where a prosecution for attempted fraud would do some good.

her fault or mine? - MavisCruet

Nope - not end to end - kind of like a 'side-swipe' but just caught the back corner of ours.

This is why we pursued it - the lies. On the initial report he submitted he said my OH had undertaken him at speed - and on the six month later whiplash claim he stated that he (Jag Man) 'had been over taking a cyclist and then my OH had undertaken him at speed'.

Our questions as to why his statements were inconsistant and more importantly where was the dead/injured cyclist because we didn't find one under our car - went unanswered...

It angers me that people get away with lying and creating aggro, I would have loved to see him in court explaining where the cyclist disappeared to - both in real life and in his paperwork....This guy was in his 60's, a 'professional' man and member of a Chartered Institute. I wish it had gone to court as part of his membership includes adhereing to a Code of Conduct - one of the them being 'Truthful and Morally Upstanding'. I'd have loved to have it proved in court he had lied then gleefully reported him to them... just to give back a bit of the hassle/paperwork/phone calls he caused us.

In all fairness despite the police not turning up at the 'correct' scene the officers we saw subsequently were brill and tried to do him for Common Assault and Failing to Give Details at the Scene but again it all boiled down to our word against his.

(Whilst OH waited in vain for the Police, Jag Man had called his ancient mommy and daddy down to the scene. After an hour and a half he approaches OH, says he rang the police who told him he could leave so wour only option left was to ask his elderly mother for his name address etc - the police officer found out he had not been told he could leave - he hadn't even called them, hence the failing to give details part. Common Assault part of it was he actually goading OH, jabbing in the chest and shoving him trying to get a reaction so thats another reason why OH called the police to attend)

Sorry for the life story - but we do laugh about what a total idiot this guy is - and I HATE liars.

Edited by MavisCruet on 07/08/2012 at 14:06