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mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - trevb

Hi Folks,

I am contemplating buying a used 2007 Mazda 3 2.0 litre diesel from a trade garage.

Having read so much about DPF issues etc i would welcome the company of an experienced engineer to advise if it is a good buy or not.

Happy to pay a small fee for your troubles.

I am viewing the car near Bristol on Wed 16th in the afternoon.

Will not be back online until Tues morning now as travelling.

Much appreciated.

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - ChannelZ

Engineer? Dogs on the street know the Mazda 2.0D is the engine from hell.

What's an engineer going to tell you different?

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - gordonbennet

What's an engineer going to tell you different?

Excellent summary that, barge pole as long as your street job.

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - Robin the Technician

I'm an engineer...don't waste your money!!!

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - unthrottled

Rubbish.

DPF problems (or lack thereof) are basically dependant on duty cycle. Plenty of Mazda 6 2.0D clock up huge mileages without running away on their own engine oil.

Most of the drivers who had problems were people who bought an engine that fitted their aspirations rather than their actual use. If the engine is given some load, the average exhaust gas temperatures will be sufficiently high so that the regen should not be a problem.

This is not a car for a diet of pottering to the shops. However, it should be a great motorway pounder.

Mimsers should avoid big diesels.

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - gordonbennet

''DPF problems (or lack thereof) are basically dependant on duty cycle. Plenty of Mazda 6 2.0D clock up huge mileages without running away on their own engine oil.''

Don't find other makes steadily and regularly filling the sumps with fuel though.

Plenty of reports from owners and company car drivers who do cover suitable mileages having to get oil changes between services due to the oil level constantly rising.

Its not just the case of the engine running on its own oil (or fuel if its filled the sump) its the premature wear associated with diluted oil.

Its one of several Diesel engines i would avoid like the plague.

If the maker, along with others, had taken the trouble to fit their cars with proper tell tale instrumentation to inform owners of the state of regen, then much of this could have been avoided.

Its hardly science likely to confuse an owner for a warning to flash up saying ''continue driving if possible, regen 10 minutes from completion'' or similar, instead all owners are in the dark as to what's going on.


mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - Big John

A friend of mine with a Mazda 6 2.0 diesel had dpf problems within 600 (mostly motorway )miles of purchase - from new! - followed by numerous visits to the dealer, All OK now though.

The best diesel DPFs seem to be the closed coupled ones which usually achive passive regen.

Edited by Big John on 16/05/2012 at 23:43

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - bathtub tom

>>I am viewing the car near Bristol on Wed 16th in the afternoon.Will not be back online until Tues morning now as travelling.

Perhaps he should get his butler to deal with it?

;>)

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - trevb

thanks for your responses guys ... albeit almost universally negative.

car pick up has now been delayed until monday due to new rear shocks identified during service.

understand the DPF oil dilution issues (agree that Mazda messed up with this) but am not too concerned as most of my driving is going to be on the motorway with 4 - 6 100m+ journeys a month - however i will be keeping a close eye on the oil level.

my thoughts are that if the DPF plays up on my car i will have it removed using the specialist services readily available these days - not too concerned about passing its future MOT,s as online experience suggests this is not a problem in a clean running car.

any opinions etc you have on this would be much welcomed though ...

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - unthrottled

I doubt that you'll need to remove it. The best trick is to ignore the advice about buzzing the hell out of the engine to try to burn soot off. The only way to raise exhaust gas temperatures on a diesel is to load the engine. This means using the highest gear possible. Happily, this also gives the best fuel economy. You don't need to short shift, revving whilst accelerating is fine.

Good luck.

P.S. You can easily test for fuel dilution in the oil with a blotter paper test. Simply press the tip of the dipstick onto a piece of unwaxed white card. Don't allow the part of the card with the oil spot to touch a surface for at least twenty minutes (use a roll of sellotape or similar prop to suspend the card horizontally). Fuel dilution is manifested by a distinct halo around the edge of the oil spot. Put a drop of fresh engine oil onto another card for comparison. If fuel dilution, excessive oxidation, of lack of soot dispersion is present in the used oil, the difference is obvious.

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - craig-pd130

@ Unthrottled - you've posted EGT vs rpm data for diesels before.

For a typical 2.0 litre 4-pot turbodiesel, will the highest EGT usually coincide with the lower end of the peak torque band (when under load on the road)?

For example, the 2.0 TDCI in a Mondeo IV produces max torque between 1,750 and 2,250 rpm .... most modern common-rail motors seem to get to their torque peak with rpm in the late teens.

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - unthrottled

You'd think so but no. It will be usually be at rated power, so about 4000RPM. I know that appears to contradict what I said earlier, but for most driving purposes you're not at full load. If you look at a constant power curve which is more relevant, the higher EGT will be at lowest RPM because that gives the most load.

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - craig-pd130

Fair enough -- although a catalyst-coated DPF matrix only needs to be maintained around 300*C or so for passive regeneration, according to the manufacturers' bulletins I've seen.

A steady 2,000rpm at say, 40+mph on the road would achieve the sort of EGT to support that, wouldn't it?

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - thunderbird

I have said this before following one of Unthrottled's posts but its worth repeating. The handbook for the wifes car says that if the dpf light flashes drive at 1500 to 2000 rpm for 20 minutes and it should go out, nothing about thrashing the nuts off it as some suggest. Luckily we have not seen a light but before I read Unthrottled's original post I tried slowing to 60mph (1900 rpm) instead of the usual 70mph (2200 rpm) on the M1 when I noticed a regen had started. The regen completed quicker and wasted far less fuel which is prro enough without the science. Not tried driving at 50mph (1600 rpm) on the M1 to see if it completes even quicker, that's just plain dangerous.

Edited by thunderbird on 17/05/2012 at 13:37

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - unthrottled

At 2000RPM, you'd be around 300C. But you'd have higher temps at 1500RPM for the same speed.

There's a tipping point temperature where the rate of passive soot oxidation becomes greater than the rate of soot deposition from the engine, so for a given DPF, this temperature will vary slightly for different engines.

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - Robin the Technician

So, you asked the opinion of the good folks on here...and the almost unanimous response was 'avaoid it like the plague'. Yet you have still bought the vehicle!!!

I am so glad that I didn't offer my services to go with you to inspect the vehicle - seems good advice can sometimes be a wasted effort.

All i will say is good luck with your new car... If the DPF fails to live up to expectations, please think back to all those people who told you to avoid it and the possible repercussions when you post again on here to the tune of 'we told you so'.

BTW, if the vehicle was fitted with a DPF as OE and it has been removed, then I believe it can fail its MOT as it is non standard.

Robin the Technician - I fix therefore I am

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - unthrottled

That's nice,

I think DPF problems are God's punishment to mimsers and even a poorly designed system can be made to work if operated with some consideration.

It is technically illegal to gut a DPF but if the car passes the smoke opacity test, there isn't much anyone can do about it.

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - balleballe

Problem is that most mimsers have diesels, oh well

I was tinkering with a mazda 3 2.0d and gutting the DPF, but decided it wasnt worth it in the end

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - unthrottled

There are loads of Mazda 2.0D on autotrader with big mileages. They wouldn't have clocked up those mileages if they constantly drowning in their own diesel. I don't deny there's a problem with the system, but the DPF delete option shouldn't be necessary for sensible users. Since you can pick one up for a song, surely it is worth a punt? The money you save on DPF delete can be spent on diesel so you can put your foot down which is more fun than a functional regen system! :)

I'm seriously considering a Mazda 2.0D.

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - balleballe

My daily commuteto work is a 26 mile round trip comprising of stop/starts and maybe the occasional 3-4 mile clear A road blast.

I also make a few shorter trips a week (around 4 miles)

At least once a month I go visit in-laws or family (so 100 miles or 220 miles away)

I dont think i'd be able to give it enough stick on the commute to and from work, so fear I may be left with diluted oil

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - trevb

great responses - once the "crap" filter had been put on. (i must have filters on the brain !).

i pick the car up on tuesaday with a full service and MOT just done.

responses :

bathtub tom - such an ignorant "butler" comment ! these forums are for advice not abuse i thought. me with a butler LMFAO ! you need to get back in your bathtub with a decent beer and chill mate.

unthrottled - great responses which i will deffo take note of. Im not a mimser driver and understand what this car needs so feel good that the car is an ok choice. will be back on here after a couple of weeks to update you how it has gone. keep in contact if you decide to get one too.

belleballe - good stuff too. thanks. sounds like you are not going to be giving a car enough miles and regular revs to give a mazda 3 what it needs. i would suggest going for a small diesel with a different operating system.

robin - love your sign off mate lol. thanks for the reasoned criticism - always good to take that on board. think i know what the car is about and how to handle it now. will update you in a couple of weeks too.

mazda 3 2.0 diesel - engineer experience needed - Raman

Trevb

You might want to read this article "1.6 common rail diesel turbo charger damage"

http://www.forteuk.co.uk/bulletin.php

I own a Mazda 3 .1.6TD. Not really had any issues with DPF. I do 100miles a day on the motorway.

The only common problem is MAF gets a slight coating of oil which needs cleaning every time I do an oil change.

I only use the over rated Mazda DPF oil. Better to be save than sorry. Oil and filter gets changed every 10K miles. With an oil flush.

Hope this helps.