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any - stop/start technology - mark.b

picture the scenario,friday evening rush hour,motorway tailback, serious stop start traffic for in excess of an hour,how does a vehicle with stop/start cope with the constant re-starting of the engine,without the battery becoming drained,thus rendering your car immobile in the middle lane,the reason i ask is i was behind a 61 plate kia sportage in stop/start and it seemed to be struggling after about 35minutes of stop/start traffic

any - stop/start technology - thunderbird

picture the scenario,friday evening rush hour,motorway tailback, serious stop start traffic for in excess of an hour,how does a vehicle with stop/start cope with the constant re-starting of the engine,without the battery becoming drained,thus rendering your car immobile in the middle lane,the reason i ask is i was behind a 61 plate kia sportage in stop/start and it seemed to be struggling after about 35minutes of stop/start traffic

On my BMW stop/start will not operate until certain conditions have been met, the main 2 are the outside temp is above 4 C and the battery has enough juice in it. In stop start traffic it works about 6 times before it becomes a normal car. The battery is only a year old, stop start not working indicated the old one was dying, replaced under warranty, always done that from new thus there is nothing wrong with car. Based on my experience it could not leave you stranded since it will only work when the battery is fully charged.

Its a gimic in my book that enables manufacturer's to get better EU CO and fuel consumption figures than can normally be obtained. Not complaining, the models older than mine without s/s cost £100 a year more to tax.

any - stop/start technology - SlidingPillar

I've not got one, so I don't know for sure but I've been told that with most cars with "stop/start" you can turn it off. And in the case of a car getting umpty with a queue and stopping and starting, any good driver surely would.

any - stop/start technology - Drivethru

I've not got one, so I don't know for sure but I've been told that with most cars with "stop/start" you can turn it off. And in the case of a car getting umpty with a queue and stopping and starting, any good driver surely would.

any - stop/start technology - unthrottled

Its a gimic in my book that enables manufacturer's to get better EU CO and fuel consumption figures than can normally be obtained.

Quite. Whoever thought that that taxing a car on its theoretical fuel consumption (as opposed to its actual consumption via fuel duty) is a moron.

It works in the NEDC because about a third of the cycle is spent idling. A little 4 pot diesel can idle for over 8 hours on a single gallon of fuel-that's a lot of idling for not a lot of fuel.

any - stop/start technology - jamie745

A little 4 pot diesel can idle for over 8 hours on a single gallon of fuel-that's a lot of idling for not a lot of fuel.

If i filled the tank on my car and left it sat there running, i wonder how long it'd take to run out of petrol.

any - stop/start technology - Roly93

I have start stop on my A4 and it is definately a gimic, but I just disable it most of the time.

However I dont know whether this applies to all cars, but my car automatically disables the function based upon a number of criteria such as low engine temp, low outside temp, high drain electrical items in use or battery voltage starting to dip. In the very cold weather we had recently, my car would not go into stop mode even though the engine was fully warm and I'd driven quite a few miles, as it was still only -3 outside.

any - stop/start technology - unthrottled

...and when warm, and high drain electrical items are switched off, the idle consumption is pretty low anyway. For long stops, the ignition key works as a perfectly good start-stop system.

any - stop/start technology - daveyjp
I have it, it works, it saves me money, no more to say.
any - stop/start technology - unthrottled

How much does it save you in fuel?

any - stop/start technology - jamie745

How much does it save you in fuel?

And how much did you pay for the car?

any - stop/start technology - daveyjp
Less than a version without it costs.

No idea what it saves me, but even with my basic understanding of physics I know an engine which is off uses no fuel.
any - stop/start technology - RicardoB

Only today, I was in that sort of traffic in my non stop-start car, and I used the ignition key to achieve the same!

I'm quite relaxed about the automatic technology - people can turn it off if they like (if they can work out how to!) and it must be ultimately good for starter motor and battery manufacturers.

I recently drove a stop-start car recently and hadn't realised it had it, until I came to the first set of lights where, popping the car into neutral and put handbrake on, engine went off. My first worry was that I'd stalled it, so automatically turned igniton off and started again! I quickly realised what it was all about though, and took to the idea with no problem.

any - stop/start technology - unthrottled

No idea what it saves me, but even with my basic understanding of physics I know an engine which is off uses no fuel.

So how do you know that it saves you money? Intuitively, overrun fuel cut off uses no fuel. But those with a more advanced understanding of physicsunderstand that neutral gets better mpg. Logical arguments are only as good as the premises they're based upon.

any - stop/start technology - 1litregolfeater

Speaking as non-elected spokesman for 99% of the population, we don't know what you're on about.

any - stop/start technology - Roly93

...and when warm, and high drain electrical items are switched off, the idle consumption is pretty low anyway. For long stops, the ignition key works as a perfectly good start-stop system.

Agreed, especially when 1000's of car owners will need new starter motors where they wouldn't have previously, a pretty expensive way of savin a few drops of diesel !

any - stop/start technology - PatrickO

I'd never, ever have a vehicle with stop/start fitted.

any - stop/start technology - Auristocrat
I have an Auris with stop/start technology. Never had a problem with it re-starting in motorway tailbacks. Compared to my previous Corolla, I get around 5mpg more in the Auris around Birmingham, and around 6-7mpg more on a run - thats in a car with a similar sized engine, producing similar bhp, and a bigger and presumably heavier body.
any - stop/start technology - skidpan

In our office a couple of the engineers have Volvo V50's as company cars. Both are identical 1.6D Eco models but one has stop start fitted. Not 100% sure why but I think they were the cars the leasing company could get within the time frame. The non stop/start car has an EU combined of 62.8 mpg, £30 VED, 119 CO's and 13% BIK, the stop/start one has an EU combined of 72.3 mpg, £20 VED, 104 CO's and 13% BIK (think this is due to change over the next couple of years). Our company policy is to reimburse users for fuel purchased based on business mileage covered and the EU combined figure but if users can prove they are not getting that mpg they can appeal and get it modified, because of this all users keep a careful log of mileage and fuel bought. Both cars get virtually the same type of use (3 or more long motorway runs a week) and both cars do virtually the same mpg, from memory its about 52mpg. The user of the stop/start car had huge difficulty getting the finance director to accept that his supposedly much more economical car was only doing the same mpg as the standard one and getting his fuel rate adjusted.

any - stop/start technology - Avant

Thanks, Skidpan: very useful to have facts and figures to condirm what many of us suspect. Savings may vary from car to car but I'd expect them to be minimal at best.