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Private insurance as a trader - Eco-Dubs

Hello all,

I started out as a self employed car dismantler 2-3months ago and have now decided to branch out into trading aswell. My question is..

I have a multicar policy for both me and my girlfriend which is due to run out in 2 months time, and being 22 the extra years NCD makes a large difference, so I don't want to cancel early. Come April I'll be getting traders insurance to make it all nice and easy, but in the mean time how can I insure the cars that I buy and sell? In the past I've put the V5 in my name and insured it for a day through my personal insurance. I'm only going to be buying and selling 1 or 2 cars at a time until April while I build up some capital, but I don't want to register each in my name and wait 2-3 weeks for the new V5 to come through before I can sell it, so if I register the car to my business (i.e filling out the little slip that says you're selling it to a trader and therefore the car is still in the previous owner's name), can I still add the car to my personal policy for a day or week?

Thanks in advance,

Max.

Private insurance as a trader - jamie745

I don't want to register each in my name and wait 2-3 weeks for the new V5 to come through before I can sell it, so if I register the car to my business (i.e filling out the little slip that says you're selling it to a trader and therefore the car is still in the previous owner's name), can I still add the car to my personal policy for a day or week?

Well yes i suppose you could do that. All the 'sold into trade' bit of the V5 really does is mark the vehicle as 'in trade' at the DVLA so its treated the same as being Sorned as far as tax is concerned (if theres no tax on the car). Plenty of 'off the books' home traders try this and come unstuck later as the Inland Revenue and DVLA are not stupid, they can find out if you're really a trader or not but you've already set up a business and it'll be registered to that business i presume.

Read your insurance terms and conditions thoroughly, the vehicle would still be in someone elses name obviously and some companies wont do it. A trade policy covers you for things a standard insurance policy doesnt, so you'll have to read all the small print and talk to your insurance company, if you have an accident and they find out its a business use in-trade car when they think its your personal vehicle they wont be happy. If you do insure it on a personal policy make sure its covered for business use. Im not sure how you intend to obtain the cars in the first place, most auction houses will require proof of being a trader (ie your trader insurance policy certificate) or they'll fill the V5 out for you as a private buyer anyway.

Private insurance as a trader - tony g
Hi max.
(so if I register the car to my business (i.e filling out the little slip that says you're selling it to a trader and therefore the car is still in the previous owner's name),

first thing ,you're not actually registering the car to your business by sending in the yellow part of the v5.
It's simply a way to let the dvla know that the previous registered owner is no longer the keeper of the car , and that although you're not the registered keeper you're responsible for the car until the car is registered at the dvla to a new keeper.
As to trade insurance and insurance generally , it's not something to try to fool around with or to get around ,if you're buying and selling cars ,you need car trade insurance .
You will find that insurance companies will accept pretty much everything you tell them and quote accordingly.However when you need to make a claim ,in particular a large one.They will examine everything you told them in detail ,if they find anything you said was untrue ,they will simply refuse to pay.

Before you attempt car trading ,have you considered the cost of car trade insurance ,I see you're 22 ,the cost will be very high ,I have a full no claims discount ,I'm 62 ,I was quoted £ 1200 to renew .

The final thing I would suggest ,is consider whether it's better to wait for another 12 months ,before you get involved with buying and selling cars .

Car sales at the moment are the worst they have ever been and are not expected to pick up for another 12 months ,lots of car dealers like me are giving up ,three of my local competitors have ceased trading .its not a good business to be in at the moment.

Tony g





































Private insurance as a trader - jamie745

I was thinking the OP's main problem would actually be the validility of the insurance. Even if its insured for business use it must still be sketchy as to whether or not its valid?

I mean, if it wasnt, surely there'd be no need for motor trade insurance?

Private insurance as a trader - Eco-Dubs
Cheers for the comments guys. Jamie745 is right, essentially my question was can I insure the car under my private policy even though the car wouldn't be in my name, and would I be insured to drive it home/give test drives?

Edited by Eco-Dubs on 09/02/2012 at 17:12