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Upto £8k for a new'ish car - ewaste

Hello everyone just thought I would pop along here and ask for the advice of the forum seeing as I’ve read the reviews and watched the videos on various cars.

I have recently passed my driving test and now that I’ve passed my parents are looking to get a half decent car for me to use and also for my brother to hopefully learn to drive in as well. The criteria that they have laid out is that is has to be a 5dr Petrol hatchback less than a year old therefore still under manufacturer’s warranty. The budget I have been set is up to £8k although ideally £7.5k of course that all depends on what exactly I can come up with and if it meets my parents approval. Currently I’m driving around a 10yo Vauxhall Agila 1.0l which is leaking all over my dad’s drive way and is not exactly a decent car but if it were not leaking it would probably be sticking around until it completely falls to bits. I’m a 19 year old male so Insurance is something I have to keep an eye on although I do have 2 years no claims from having my own insurance on a provisional license. The last renewal which was Thursday and a Multicar policy only came in at £710 fully comp for the whole family with my 2 siblings and my mum down as learners on the Agila with me as the main driver and my dad on his own 2.0TDi car. My main use for the car will be popping in and out to college which is around 4 miles away and b*****ing around town although its 4 miles away over some very hilly topography so some of the tiny engines are hopeless.

Just as a side note I have been, as is probably typical, looking at a facelifted Vauxhall Corsa 1.2 SXi although I’m still a little unsure of the driving position but I know that is something that in time I will get used to.

Upto £8k for a new'ish car - jamie745

Hello, welcome to the forum. Can i just clarify what you're looking for. Is this going to be your car or is this going to be your parents car with you using it from time to time? You say you're the main driver on the Agila so will you be the main driver on this car? Just curious as i couldnt quite work out what you meant.

In any case to fit that criteria theres quite a bit of choice theres 10 plate Fiesta's but for that money you are looking at an Edge model (pretty basic in terms of toys) 1.2 engine which if you know how to use your gears can negotiate hills perfectly fine. Vauxhall Corsa 1.2, might get slightly more for your money, im seeing 10 reg's at around 6.5k and upwards. Peugeot 308 is an under-rated car in my view, friend of mine test drove one recently with me in the back and it was better than expected and decent value as well, alot of them are 1.6's though which are a couple of insurance groups higher. Citroen C3 is another option but a bit underpowered in my view and the Peugeot is probably the biggest car inside out of these options. The warranty thing you need to be careful, some dont cover the second owner even if its still in the warranty period. Like Vauxhall's 8 year warranty only applies to the first owner, if they sell it after a year, thats Vauxhall off the hook for 7 years. A three year old car just outside warranty with full maintenance records can be much better value in comparison.

Seriously though, its not up to me to spend anyone elses money but if someone else is going to learn to drive in this also at some point i would recommend saving the 8k, getting a decent runabout for about a grand, not a pile of rubbish obviously a proper little car, more to spend on insurance too if you save the money can get perhaps a bigger car but nothing too big if a learner's going on it, insurance for anything over a 1.8litre for a male provisional holder will be extremely difficult for when your brother starts to learn so keep it small, 1.6 at most really. The likelyhood is you'll have some bumps, dings and dents (i reversed my first car into a tree, it was my own tree, which made it even worse) and do you really want to do that to an 8k 1 year old car?

Upto £8k for a new'ish car - Bobbin Threadbare

If you ask Honest John; he reckons a Toyota Yaris.

£8k is a lot of money for a first car!

You could look for something old school and try to get classic car insurance on it if you want to keep that cost down....

Up to £8k for a new'ish car - Avant

If your parents are prepared to spend £8k on a car, then accept the offer gladly! A newish car should be more reliable and more suitable for your brother to practise on.

I'd agree with a Yaris - go for the 1.3 rather than the underpowered 1.0. Five doors, reliable and very lively

You could also look at the Hyundai i10 1.2 or Fiat Panda 1.2: the new-shape Fiesta is good to drive but the rear visibility is awful and won't help your brother. Corsas have their adherents but I've never found one that was anything like fun to drive except the VXR which yould never be able to insure.

Edited by Avant on 27/08/2011 at 18:11

Up to £8k for a new'ish car - unthrottled

I agree with Jamie-£8k is a lot to spend on a first car. You've got the added complication of your needs being rather different to those of your brother.

Up to £8k for a new'ish car - SteveLee

Buy a cheap banger, when you've crashed that, let your parents by you something decent with the £7K left!

Up to £8k for a new'ish car - NowWheels

Buy a cheap banger, when you've crashed that, let your parents by you something decent with the £7K left!

Sound advice.

And young male drivers are notorious for taking risks, so do yourself a favour and stick with a lower-powered car until you have more experience.

Up to £8k for a new'ish car - jamie745

I dont like to sit here and give this kind of advice though, it almost seems like im saying 'you will crash it' i dont want to say that. We shouldnt say that at all. I dont want him to crash. Being told 'buy something cheap because you will crash it' cant be friendly advice. When i crashed into my tree it was a reversing error which couldve happened in any car. I met one father recently who opted to spend 5 odd grand on his sons first car, a car he really loved too in the theory that if he loves the car he'll be more careful with it. Counter intuitive possibly but it might work!

I can never decide if a low powered car is universally best for every first time driver, i was discussing this with my mum the other day as she didnt learn to drive until her late 20s and she learned in her spare time in my Dad's car which was Ford Granada and Rover 800 i think, hardly dinky low powered hatchbacks and she's just always been used to a car with power. I suppose everyones learning experiences are different. A car with decent power can be very useful if you end up in an awkward moment due to perhaps lack of forward planning (common in new drivers) and can get you out of trouble much more than a 1.0litre snotbox. Its easier to drive a fast car slowly than to drive a slow car faster.

Perhaps im biased, i like a car that shifts! LOL!

Up to £8k for a new'ish car - unthrottled

Its easier to drive a fast car slowly than to drive a slow car faster.

Definitely. I'm so glad that I never had to go through the Citroen AX 1.0 phase. I always found that new drivers in low powered cars tended to be afraid of losing speed because they worried about not being able to accelerate again! This caused them to carry too much speed into corners which is a classic cause of new driver accidents. A bigger engine is more forgiving when in too high a gear and is generally much easier to drive. Slip roads are more challenging, getting out of the inside lane is more challenging with a little engine. All of which a new driver can do without.

I still think the 8 valve trick is a good card to play. They are cheaper to insure than 16 valve engines of the same displacement, but they have just as much low-mid range power.

Edited by unthrottled on 28/08/2011 at 01:13

Up to £8k for a new'ish car - SteveLee

I'm not suggesting the OP is going to drive like a nutter and stick it into the scenery. Inexperience often mean silly but potentially rather expensive accidents, my sister in law pulled away from the curb and crashed corner on (windscreen pillar) into a skip at about 15 mph. The car was a write-off. After learning that (thankfully cheap) mistake (because she was driving a banger) she hasn't had another accident since.

Up to £8k for a new'ish car - jamie745

Haha. Sorry that made me laugh. Please tell me it was the passenger side corner at least? Alot of new drivers used to being passengers tend to struggle to judge the width of the car from the other side of it.

In fairness, the OP has been driving for a while in a little 1.0litre Agila horrorbox so its not like he's just passed his test. The window where he's most likely to crash into a tree has now passed.

Up to £8k for a new'ish car - unthrottled

Nah. The window opens when you become confident!

I really can't think of any helpful contributions to the OP. With £8K capital, I would much rather have a £2K car and £6K of cash backing it up, than an £8K car and no capital.

The former takes weight off your shoulders, the latter is a millstone.

When I used to borrow my mum's car, I was terrified of damaging it-and the worry affected my driving. One day my mum said 'it's an old banger, it owes as nothing. Stop worrying'. My driving standard and enjoyment rocketed in an instant.

Upto £8k for a new'ish car - ewaste

Hey thanks everyone for posting back a reply especially to Jamie who managed to post back so fast and apologies for getting back to you all a bit late.

I will be the main driver on whatever car I or we decide upon although my dad will be retiring soon so he may also use the car when he just needs something small to run around town in. However he will be getting himself another car shortly as well because he will no longer be doing 80 odd miles a day 6 days a week. So in the meantime this car will also be his lifeboat hence why it needs to be a 5dr and one of the reasons for it to be reasonably new and hopefully reliable. We know that £8k is a lot of money to spend on a car especially for a new driver such as myself or a learner such as my brother but that is what insurance is for at the end of the day and an up to date car should be safer. I am aware that statistically due to my age and gender I am more likely to be involved in an accident but statistics are just that and hopefully I don’t become one of them although I know that sounds very naive. A relative was recently involved in a serious road accident so that is one of the motivating factors in getting a better replacement for the Agila basically dad got his marching orders :)

At the end of the day whatever car I end up with will likely be getting replaced in 2-3 years time anyway or that is at least my parents plan at the moment. However I’m now away to have a good look for Yaris 1.3’s and I did learn in a Yaris 1.4 D-4D which I thought was a really nice car if a bit stiff on the typical crappy roads.

Upto £8k for a new'ish car - jamie745

I dont often get thanked. Its a warm cuddly feeling. Its like a big hug.

Nobody here wants you to end up in an accident or even thinks you will do, yes your age group is statistically very probable to be in an accident (or collison as they say now, they dont like using the word accident) but 95% of those are due to the young male driver in question being a knob. If you're not a knob then in my view you're no more or less likely to crash than anybody else here. Attitude rather than level of ability or experience is the cause of most of these crashes. Nobody wants to be a statistic and i dont imagine for one second you're considering being so and nor should you, if you get into a car expecting to become a crash statistic then you shouldnt be driving. Give someone else the keys.

Now that we've got a clear picture of what the cars required for i'd say go somewhere between the buy-a-banger and spend-8-grand options. If it was me i'd be looking for three year old cars which meet the categories you want. If they're ex fleet, company cars, rentals etc they'll have been well maintained and anything it required fixed under warranty, it'll have main dealer service history and most importantly will be considerably less than the same car would be at just a year old. When/if you get rid in three years you'll lose far less than if you buy a 1 year old car today and sell it at 4 years old.