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So Jamie, you were never a kid once. You never made any noise or played outside your home or played with mates? You must have been a "billy" no mates if you never interacted with other kids. You appear to have led a sad life if you cannot relate to children having fun. Yes within reason, but kids make noise. It's what kids do when they have fun.
Or do you expect them to be couped up in their rooms posting daily in a sullen, moody, darkened atmosphere on twitter, facebook etc. or any internet chatroom for electronic socialising. I suppose you do, as they wont be winding you up in the process. You obviously hate kids having fun because you never did. Jealousy, I think you call it.
(Cue, half mile long post response.)
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If you ask a question i'll answer it so enough of the 'long response' rubbish. Yes i was a kid once but no i didnt stay outside screaming at the top of my lungs to speak to another child who was four yards away. Kids have no concept of their own noise, we're talking pretty small gardens where speaking at a normal volume is more than loud enough and its 1 thousand decibel screaming. Then you get the parents who communicate by screaming down the street. Like mother in house 1 wants to speak to someone in house 7 so instead of go round and knock on the door they yell from their back door 'SANDRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SAND.....RAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU THERE!!!!?!?!?!? NO IM GOING DOWN THE SHOP DO YOU WANT ANYTHIIIINNG?!?!?!!?!?' so its no wonder the kids think its appropriate to shout also.
When i was a kid i played football round the playfield, as thats what its for, not in the road, not in car parks, not in town centres etc. I know i had a bouncy castle birthday party when i was 6, with most of my class invited, but i certainly wasnt outside all of every day screaming my head off.
And as for 'having fun' is it fun to kick a football against my car? Is it fun to throw sand over my fence at my back door when they think im not around (i'd never had any contact with any of the neighbours so its not like it was a response to anything, its just i happen to have a bigger garden than them and they dont like it) I bet when you were a kid if you lost a ball over someones fence you went round and asked for it back, not these ones, no, they try and help themselves in and when they discover the gate is locked they kick seven bells out of it and scream until you come out, which obviously i dont, because then they think scream-and-you-get-what-you-want.
So now ive explained they're not 'kids having fun' whatsoever they're just little future-organ donors brought up by improper parents you can see my point. The good thing is after a few visits, complaints and arguments all these problems have stopped in the last year or so as the parents keep the kids busy now instead of just leaving them outside so thats something. I can leave my nice car outside and know its safe now as they did pull their finger out and put some discipline into their children. Its a perfectly fine place to live again, its a shame it took so long to kick sense into them but it has been worth it.
So if you're going to criticise me for 'not letting kids be kids' then you're going to get a half mile long response detailing why i have these opinions. You asked for it.
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I have to say, Jamie, you are classic. I'm even starting to love you myself.
You have surpassed anything I ever managed to do here, a million-fold.
But likewise, to your words of wisdom, not all kids are like those you have experienced, and a half mile response from you will get the same from me.
I would never say 'let kids be kids'. Mine were properly looked after. By me.
Your government wants us to all hug a hoodie.
Round here I am guessing we have a lot more threats that way than you do. So what do I do? I go out, I don't bleeding hug them, but I try and be confident enough to walk through them without fear
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The hug a hoodie stuff from a few years ago really was tragic wasnt it? I note they've abandoned that now and its imprison hoodie for four months for nicking some Buxton.
Im not afraid of them they're just little kids but they're the mouthy gobby sort, taking after mouthy gobby Essex-derived parents, you know the kind. They've had a kick up the backside, the parents are taking notice now, the kids are only around 7 or 8 for goodness sake so its a good job its been fixed now. Like i said i havent had any problems for quite some time, so i'll give them that, they took notice and did something about it. Shouldnt of got that far in the first place mind.
If i'd thrown sand at a neighbours back door my mother wouldve grounded me for three thousand years or something. If i did the whole whaling and screaming in the supermarket to try and get the sweets i wanted, my mother would put down the shopping and do the same to me to make a point. At the amusement of fellow shoppers. I was taught basic things very strongly which alot of kids arent. Walk on the pavement not in the road, look both ways before crossing the road, dont play football in the street etc i was told if i get run over its my own fault for walking in the road without looking, its a shame Governments now automatically blame the motorist but its a policy which was drilled into me as a kid and ive got to 27 without being run over by using it. So perhaps a lesson there for society.
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Jamie jamie. I have fought for my life and that of my kids. After that, nothing much scares you anymore. So I walk through the gangs, I have no fear. I have history and maybe cant be touched, but also maybe I'm even more of a target. But I'm proud of what me and my sons are, we fear nothing. So I am sorry if I say what you're saying is really quite trivial when I'm looking at survival every day
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Yes well i dont view surviving gangs as being the staple of how to live, this is Britain not Slovakia so forgive me if i expect better. You say its trivial, i say its one small step from kids like this into the scenes we saw last month across our country.
Looking at survival every day? Our soldiers in Afghanistan look at survival every day, people fleeing droughted and wartorn areas of East Africa look at survival every day.
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Maybe I dont like you after all jamie. Were you in afghanistan? If so I can understand.
If not then just count yourself lucky that you don't have to live badly on these streets that you are so keen to slag off.
Make up your mind jamie.
I will be back, your nemesis from hereonafter
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You're the one which called them bad gangland streets so dont accuse me of slagging it off missy. And you dont have to live there, we live in a free country you have every right to pick up and clear off like all of us do.
I know i was lucky to be born in a pretty decent area (well technically i was born in London but thats because i was three weeks early and my mother still went on a pre-booked trip there for some reason or other) im not saying i went to posh grammar school or had satchels or lived in a posh house or anything etc but i grew up in areas where lets say there were plenty of people who wouldve gladly swapped places with me. Even now i am aware im lucky to live in a part of the country with a lower unemployment rate than most of the rest of the UK and things like that i am very appreciative of that.
No i havent been in Afghanistan, i know im not man enough for a job like that and i will freely admit that. To my mind people like them men and women who's daily job is to search for roadside bombs, people like the firefighters who were going up the stairs in the World Trade Centre when everyone else was coming down, people like that, they are the true heroes who know what a difficult situation really is with that second example being even more notable now this weekend obviously we shouldnt lose sight of that.
I for instance know that i couldnt of done that. No question.
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I thought I had heard that the youth of today were blameless owing to their disenfranchisement because they can't afford car insurance?
Can't remember where I read that though.
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Society disenfranchising young people by not giving them chances in work, pricing them out of motoring, housing ladders problems etc is a big issue but i dont think the 12 year olds burning down furniture shops and 14 year olds looting TV's from Hughes were really doing that due to car insurance prices were they? Are you suggesting a 7 year old kicked my gate because he's disenfranchised due to car insurance prices?
Taking a point i made in the past, a very valid one and applying it very broadly is hardly a productive way to discuss anything. Its like saying an uncooked egg turns into a piece of bacon. Pointless.
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I think Davmal is making a slightly tongue-in-cheek point, but one which illustrates how young people can often feel undervalued. Of course that doesn't justify last month's riots, but all human beings should be valued and their talents recognised.
If I were a child and realised that someone thought of me like this:
"I think its because i really dont like children. And now they're not locked up in school they're.....everywhere. Shouting their little gobs off like obnoxious illiterate morons."
....I would be tempted to do something irresponsible to the person who said it and tarred all children with the same unthinking brush.
Edited by Avant on 10/09/2011 at 19:21
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As if a child would think that far ahead. You're giving them far too much credit. The limit of a childs thought is 'im going to bounce on a trampoline' and 'im going to eat some sweets' which sounds about right. I dont remember thinking about peoples opinions and perceptions when i was a child (or even now, to be honest).
But it is childs logic to think verbally or physically attacking someone with that opinion would therefore change their opinion. They do themselves no favours with that sort of thinking.
Its like the morons who burned down shops in London 'cos there aint no jobs is it' and they seem to think putting shops out of business, burning them down and putting themselves on television with looted goods in their hand is going to make them more employable. Its quite bizarre logic.
Reporter: "Why have they burned these shops down?"
Thug: "Well its cos there aint no jobs innit"
Reporter: "Even less now cos the shops not there"
Thug: "Yeah well innit ya get me"
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Unfortunately, my point wasn't tongue in cheek.
Jamie, as I've said before, your posts are white noise at worst, lift music at best. They're there in abundance but largely add little other than an irritation.
You change your mind and allegiances with a metronomical regularity, which was my point. One day you're calling for equal insurance premiums for all, then telling people in Ireland that they should be content with paying around three times the mainland rate, young people are marginalised one post then vilified the next. You're a considerate, sensible driver who openly stated that you forced another car away from a junction whilst driving, you know all of the ins and outs of cyclist mentality having never ridden a bike.
Your experience is limited, your insight and acumen has gone unnoticed and I think it makes you sad, try screaming for attention like kids do.
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This thread has gone far enough and I'm locking it.
We don't want personal comments, but Davmal's last one was provoked and reasonable in the circumstances.
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