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Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - civicminded

A friend is having terrible problems with her 07 Shogun (2.2 Diesel I think), it has again let her down by switching to limp home mode for the 5th time. Mitsu dealer is vague and blames a filter. The car is an Auto but it gets good regular motorway runs to get it hot and it's not used for short journeys or school runs. It's also used for towing a 25' caravan.

Once again the car's off the road and the unhelpfully vague Mitsubishi dealer can't reset or fix it for a week. I suspect something else - if it happens again the car will be sold - has anyone any pointers? Diesel fuel? Additives? Injectors or sensors?

Thanks for any ideas!

- ALAN

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - injection doc

It would help to know the fault code, there is a known issue with turbo pressure and some adjustments can be made to stop it keep happening. I do have some notes somewhere. I will look today.

Where do you buy your fuel from ? and has any one checked the filter for black film ?

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - civicminded

It would help to know the fault code, there is a known issue with turbo pressure and some adjustments can be made to stop it keep happening. I do have some notes somewhere. I will look today.

Where do you buy your fuel from ? and has any one checked the filter for black film ?

Have just given its owner a lift to the local airport to hire a car. The Shogun is off the road till the dealer can look next week.

I'm told it is almost always supermarket fuel :-( and the filter has been a problem (so the dealer says) in the past. Afraid I don't know the fault codes but we'll try to get them next week. Thank you for any help or ammo we can use to get it sorted. It wasn't very long ago that it broke down again so it shouldn't have happened again so soon after.

Alan

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - unthrottled

Forget the fuel red herring. Supermarket DERV is fine-it meets EN590 just as well as optimax ultimate whatever.

If it's going into limp home mode, it should be throwing up fault codes. Has the dealer told your friend what they are?

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - civicminded

OK re. the fuel. We don't know the error codes yet as the car is off the road, we'll be sure to find out next week - will post more info then.

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - injection doc

I'm sorry to differ but there is a certain brand of supermarket fuel known to suffer with the growth of a bacteria in the tank which cloggs filters very rapidly on diesles and have seen severee problems on some toyotas at around 12-14000 miles.

this is where you need to cut the filter open and inspect for a black film ! if its there it needs treating and there is now an addative you can use to supress or kill the bacteria.

so its not a red herring !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is a known issue within those in the know in the trade,

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - injection doc

Found my notes,as i have had this problem in the past. If the fault code is an overboost problem then heres the following.

well known problem and the linkage is adjustable via 2 torx screws. One screw sets the stop the actuator bar rests against at idle, the other one sets the max the actuator can go to. Turning the latter down a quarter turn at a time and testing seems to be the proscribed mitsubishi answer!

Throwing away boost doesn't sit well with me. Another possible is the dealer can apparently change a parameter in the ECU to change the overboost threshold from 0.2 seconds up to 3 seconds + which seems a better candidate.

Plus check for play in the rose joints to the linkage.

I suspect that the problem may be bacteria in the tank which is clogging the filter if its had this problem with a filter before ! but ther again it may be a red herring according to god

Edited by injection doc on 06/05/2011 at 19:44

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - unthrottled

but ther again it may be a red herring according to god

Sarcasm duly noticed. Bacterial growth requires the presence of water. The water content is strictly limited to 200 ppm. Any diesel is hygroscopic and if stored incorrectly will absorb moisture, no matter how ultimate optimaxed it may be.


Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - injection doc
Bacteria in diesel is a well known problem to anyone who works with diesel engines, because it is the Number 1 cause of engine breakdowns.

Diesel is an organic fuel.

It provides an ideal environment for microscopic fungi, yeast and bacteria to feed and grow. There is:

  • dissolved water for germination
  • carbon for food
  • oxygen and sulfur for respiration
  • trace elements for growth and propagation.

As many as 27 varieties of bacteria are responsible for the majority of problems with diesel engines and their performance.These many differing types of bacteria infect systems and form bio-films on steel surfaces. Accelerated corrosion occurs wherever the bio-film settles, usually in the form of pits or crevices. Unlike general corrosion, it is an attack on a very specific area.

No one knows when they receive contaminated diesel, but once contaminated diesel enters the fuel system, it is very difficult to eradicate.

Acquired from the air and any moisture, during tank filling and/or expansion and contraction of storage tanks, the bacteria cover themselves in a protective film (slime) to protect against biocides and lie dormant in the minute crevices of the metal, rubber and polyurethane coatings of the fuel tanks and fuel systems.

Then, when water is present [a droplet is a lake to a microbe] and the environment hits the right temperature range, they begin reproduction in the fuel water interface.

Microscopic in size, they can develop into a mat easily visible to the naked eye very quickly. A single cell, weighing only one millionth of a gram can grow to a biomass of 10 kilograms in just 12 hours, resulting in a biomass several centimetres thick across the fuel/water interface.

Each specie has its own characteristics.

BACTERIA: utilise hydrocarbons and reproduce asexually by binary fission; swelling in size as they feed, they then separate into two cells. In this way, microbes double their numbers every 20 minutes, one spore converting to 262,144 in 6 hours.

SULPHATE REDUCING BACTERIA (SRB): are a specific group of bacteria utilising simple carbon, not hydrocarbons, and require the activity of other microbes in a consortium. Aerobic (in the presence of oxygen) or anaerobic (without oxygen) bacteria have a combined effect. The aerobic bacteria (sulphate oxidising) create a film to consume the oxygen first. This allows the anaerobic (sulphate reducing) bacteria to thrive.

SRB's reduce sulphates to produce hydrogen sulphide [a lethal gas]. They are directly involved with many microbial corrosion reactions and can cause sulphide souring of stored distillate products. Their action changes the Ph creating an acidic environment, conducive to accelerated corrosion. They attach themselves to the steel as a film and go to work. They derive their nutrition from the surrounding environment and multiply. They are particularly difficult to deal with and produce a sludgy by-product with a strong sulfur odour similar to rotten eggs [hydrogen sulphide].

IRON REDUCING BACTERIA: also contribute to corrosion, eating steel and reducing ferrite to an oxide through a chemical reaction .

YEASTS: prefer acidic environments, such as produced by SRB's. They bud on the parent cell, eventually separating. Reproduction takes several hours.

FUNGUS: grow in the form of branched hyphae, a few microns in diameter, forming thick, tough, intertwined myciel mats at fuel/water interfaces.

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - injection doc

For companies using a "Biocide" it does beg the question , could a car company reject a warranty claim on the basis that a fuel addative has been used ?

For shock treatment of storage tanks a 55 gal drum would be used to treat 146000 galls

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - civicminded

Hello everyone, I've noted everything above and already passed it to the owner, due at the garage this week. We'll try to get the prev fault codes too. Thank you all for your brilliant help.

BTW Fuel usually comes from Morrisons. I'll report back any more news....

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - civicminded

(later)

Googling around - 'diesel bug' seems to be a huge problem with boats, barges & marine diesels where water condensation and diesel meet each other. Solution seems to be to strip and flush the fuel lines and tank out. Seems one problem is that filling station storage tanks may become infected with bugs (caused by presence of moisture), which contaminates customers vehicles like a virus.

I never knew this was a problem with diesels before now, even the RNLI had the problem on its lifeboats. And much bigger problem still for bio fuels. Couldn't find any fuel tank additive recommended for this. Maybe there's a new market for an enterprising chemical co.

It never used to be a problem for this car, I guess once a car is 'infected' then biofilm will just keep coming back and blocking filters (if that indeed is the problem) unless it's virtually sterilised. We'll get the error codes this week and see what gives....

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - injection doc
Its more prevalant than u expect and I would certainly have the filter apart for black film. The fuel ties in with my thoughts ! But may be a red herring !
Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - civicminded

And the mystery error code for the Shogun is........ P1498... The garage claimed not to know the previous error codes..... that's all we know I'm afraid - any background info or pointers much appreciated!

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - injection doc

P1498 "DPF overloading"

May be worth checking exhaust pressure, waste gate control and EGR. Check for DPF and whether its restricted.

I used to drill a big hole pre-cat and fit pressure gauge if car hasnt got facility for live data on exhaust pressure.

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - civicminded

Thanks. I'll get all that checked into, no doubt I'll be back when it breaks down for the 6th time...

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time - unthrottled

I concur! But why would one brand of diesel be more prone to bacterial growth than others? I'd put my money on the cheap swill being better in this respect because this fuel has a much higher turnover than the expensive stuff.

Mitsubishi Shogun Equippe Diesel 2007 - Gone into limp home mode for 5th time (6th)) - civicminded

Hello everybody,

Since this is No 1 in Google, as promised in May I'm following up about my friend's Shogun that goes into limp-home mode regularly -- as expected, 5 months later it's gone into limp-home for the 6th time, the engine management light came on and the main Mitsubishi dealer in North East Lincs charged £85 to 'reset' it.

They'd previously blamed it on the fact that the car was serviced by a non Mitsu dealer, so... it was then serviced by the main dealer, which has made not the blindest bit of difference, the car still broke down and the service cost an extra £150 over an independent, and now another £85 for nothing.

The car got plenty of long hot runs, I couldn't get to the bottom of any biocidal fuel problems and the owners think it's just inherent defects in the car, too much kit, fuel system not set up or designed properly and Mitsu blames everything but themselves.

So they're flogging it and buying a Volvo, and will never have Mitsubishi again....

Till next time etc!